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RE: Coleman Mach 8 Low Profile 9,200 BTU Review

we're very happy w/ our polar cub 9200 in our eagle cap 960 as well. used it up to 107 degree weather just last week and it got it down to low 70's in no time. Are you sure your unit is the 9,000btu? I thought eagle cap was putting the 13,500btu unit.., (And it is a lie the 13.5 btu will run off a honda 2000 generator) From TCM. Clicky TCM: Eagle Cap is changing to low-profile 13,500 BTU air conditioners for 2015. Will the new air conditioners run off a portable 2,000 watt generator like a Honda EU2000i? Greg: Yes, they will, although they will not run on a portable 2,000 watt generator at high elevations. This is another customer driven request that we have heard. The lower profile air conditioners are more money, but we can order in volume so the price comes down. 2015-Eagle-Cap-Low-Profile-AC Above: The Coleman Mach 8, a 13,500 BTU high-efficiency low profile air conditioner TCM: What air conditioner are you using? Greg: It’s a Coleman Mach 8 which is a 13,500 BTU high-efficiency air conditioner. You gain more BTUs and it draws less power. Plus, our campers are well insulated, further increasing efficiency. Low profile is the bigger request, especially on the taller 1160 and 1165 models.I have a lance with a 13,500 easy start and my honda 2000 runs it just fine.
Pwrstrok 07/08/15 06:30pm Truck Campers
RE: Coleman Mach 8 Low Profile 9,200 BTU Review

Looks like Airxcel doesn't make a smaller unit anymore, at least I couldn't find it on the web site. Here is some information on their Polar Cub: Polar Cub product sheet Comparing the maximum current draw of the existing units with this one you can see why it can run at on a 15 amp circuit or with a single Honda 2000 generator
brholt 07/07/15 04:19pm Truck Campers
RE: Coleman Mach 8 Low Profile 9,200 BTU Review

When I got ordered my AF 1150 I tried to get the Polar Cub. Northwood refused, the dealer believed they order mass quantities of airconditioners to get discounts and put the same airconditioners in everything. I wanted the Polar Cub both for the smaller size (older threads here suggested it would be sufficient) and the lower profile. To get around Northwood we ordered it without the AC and the dealer installed the Polar Cub. So far I haven't run into any temperatures it could not handle. Being smaller it may have to run "more" than the 13,500 units they normally install but cycling less means better dehumidification. What year model AF? My 08 990 came from the factory with the Dometic 11K AC. It worked great with the Honda 2000. I thought Arctic Fox used the 11K on all truck campers. It would be a shame if they indeed went to the 13.5 as I think the 11K is perfectly sized, Brad
JacintoKid 07/07/15 02:35pm Truck Campers
RE: Coleman Mach 8 Low Profile 9,200 BTU Review

we're very happy w/ our polar cub 9200 in our eagle cap 960 as well. used it up to 107 degree weather just last week and it got it down to low 70's in no time. Are you sure your unit is the 9,000btu? I thought eagle cap was putting the 13,500btu unit.., (And it is a lie the 13.5 btu will run off a honda 2000 generator) From TCM. Clicky TCM: Eagle Cap is changing to low-profile 13,500 BTU air conditioners for 2015. Will the new air conditioners run off a portable 2,000 watt generator like a Honda EU2000i? Greg: Yes, they will, although they will not run on a portable 2,000 watt generator at high elevations. This is another customer driven request that we have heard. The lower profile air conditioners are more money, but we can order in volume so the price comes down. 2015-Eagle-Cap-Low-Profile-AC Above: The Coleman Mach 8, a 13,500 BTU high-efficiency low profile air conditioner TCM: What air conditioner are you using? Greg: It’s a Coleman Mach 8 which is a 13,500 BTU high-efficiency air conditioner. You gain more BTUs and it draws less power. Plus, our campers are well insulated, further increasing efficiency. Low profile is the bigger request, especially on the taller 1160 and 1165 models.
anutami 07/05/15 03:20pm Truck Campers
A/C AND Generator Questions

I've now have a toy hauler but my years with the truck camper forum makes me sure ya'll are better informed on this than anyone. Back in the day when I had my Lance I switched out my A/C unit to a Coleman Polar Cub 8000 so I could have A/C using my Honda 2000i. My toy hauler has the same problem, an over-sized A/C unit. (The living section is only 16' with no slides.) Up until now this has not been an issue since I moved to Utah and I'm at a comfortable elevation when camping so there has been no need for A/C...until now. I also use the toy hauler to transport my track motorcycles to tracks that are located in desert areas of Nevada and southern California where the A/C would be great between track sessions. I understand the Polar Cub 8000 is no longer available and now the Coleman Mach 8 is the smallest unit available from Coleman. Will the Mach 8 run on a single Honda 2000i? Assuming it will, I'll still be close to the price of a second Honda 2000i. So it might make more sense sense to go that route and parallel their outputs and stay with with I have since space with the toy hauler isn't the concern it was with the Lance. Ideas? Suggestions? Alternatives? What am I missing in my analysis? Thanks
eddd 06/15/15 02:34pm Truck Campers
RE: Help me choose a AC replacement

If you go with a different brand, you'll have to buy the lower unit as well. I've heard of and read about some people not being able to run a Honda 2K watt genny with the new version of the Polar Cub, or whatever they call it now. Maybe look at the 11K BTU Coleman Mach Powersaver AC YES, the 11k Coleman does the trick, just went thru the research on this and that was my choice. Got down to camping world and talked with the AC man, he said Coleman Mach is the way to go, best unit out there.
17oaks 06/10/15 06:20pm Truck Campers
RE: Help me choose a AC replacement

If you go with a different brand, you'll have to buy the lower unit as well. I've heard of and read about some people not being able to run a Honda 2K watt genny with the new version of the Polar Cub, or whatever they call it now. Maybe look at the 11K BTU Coleman Mach Powersaver AC
joeshmoe 05/31/15 04:59pm Truck Campers
RE: More BTU's

You should be able to get the inside of the camper near 20 degree's cooler than the outside temp , that may take awile though If you change AC`s ,like joeshmoe said look at the 11k powersaver , it runs at 1260 watts at desert conditions as per Airxcel`s specs , your mach 8 runs at 1550 watts , I have a 11k PS also and it runs just like a pre - green freon Polar cub on a Honda If you want more BTU`s than that check out the 13k power saver it runs at desert at 1320 watts , both power savers are 320 CFM`s , your Mach is 300 CFM`s On the bad side both power savers are not low profile like your Mach cub is , they- Airexcel - say they cant find a compressor that is horizontal that will run at low amps any more
okan-star 04/22/15 08:33pm Truck Campers
RE: 9,200 BTU AC AND 2000 watt genny

I am not a HVAC tech but this is what I learned when I recently researched, bought and installed my RV AC unit. Somewhere around 2010 air conditioner manufacturers phased out R22 and started using r410a. r410a runs at a higher pressure. I was at one of the largest RV dealerships in Las Vegas and I told them I was trying to buy an air conditioner that would operate with my Honda eu2000i generator. The short answer was, "not gonna happen in Las Vegas when you really need it during summer heat, you need more power. It will run it when temperatures are cooler but not during our summer". Plus low power equals short air conditioner life. The low amp leader is not the Mach 8 9200, it's the Mach 1 PS 11000. If you check the amp draw, it beats the Mach 8 9200, previously known as the Polar cub.
dadwolf2 03/26/15 09:26pm Truck Campers
RE: 9,200 BTU AC AND 2000 watt genny

We also have the 9200 Polar Cub Mach AC and a Honda 2000. It runs the AC pretty much anywhere just fine and our LED lighting and short time water pump But NOT that and the microwave at the same time for more than a couple minutes before the warning comes on the generator. Run the fridge on propane at those times and water heater is manual gas. The TV and satellite receiver don't seem to bother it at the Dame time as the AC either. As we don't have a battery to charge or inverter to run there isn't as much draw. The Honda starts at 2000w but runs at 1600 to 1800 so watch those numbers. It's really not that big a deal to turn off the AC for a couple minutes to do something else that requires more power. At least not to us.
trailgranny50 03/25/15 07:54pm Truck Campers
RE: 9,200 BTU AC AND 2000 watt genny

I can run the Polar Cub 9200 ac on my Honda 2000 with a couple of lights on, fridge on propane and nothing else running and have done so at 8000 feet. however that is an older model AC not a Mach model
Buzzcut1 03/25/15 06:40pm Truck Campers
RE: Looking for LOWEST BTU Roof A/C available-

Yes- That spec sheet is for the 3PS via the link from another poster. The specs for the 11,000 BTU 9XX Series Mach 1 you mention is: Mach 1 9XX Specs This is lower then the 3 so-called "Power Saver" units. It would SEEM that my Honda 2000i might run it based on the specs- These are the specs for the new 9200BTU Polar Cub Casita installs: Polar Cub 9201 9200 BTU Specs but many Casita users say their Honda 2000i struggles to start that one (plus due to higher fan speeds for use with R410A it's objectionably noisier than the OLD R-22 Polar Cub Series). Strange that it is 9200 BTU in the 9XX Series you mention (and makes me wonder why Casita doesn't install the Mach 1PS instead), but the LRA is HIGHER (45.6) vs. the 11,000 BTU Mach 1 LRA at (41.5). Confusing! But Click Here is a thread where someone with a truck camper tried using the Coleman Mach 1 PS 11,000 BTU unit you suggest, and it worked fine (at cold temperatures) with a Honda 2000i genset. I mention that because I noticed that my 5th wheel A/C uses OVER 15a at hot temps (116 deg ambient, but more like 145 deg on asphalt) and tripped its 15a breaker running, yet when the inside air cooled to the 80's (after the A/C had been running a long time) the unit was only drawing around 12 amps. (I've learned carry a clamp ammeter w/ me at all times). The only way I could keep the breaker in was by pointing a fan at the CB panel until the A/C had cooled the RV interior down a lot. The coolest I could get it it in my 5er was about 87 degrees at the hottest part of the day, but that was AZ parked on an asphalt RV campground lot, a pretty extreme condition which I mention only because A/Cs take a LOT more current in high ambient temps (The Coleman chart in the link shows 25% more in desert conditions, in fact) .There are still older, 8xx Coleman Mach 1 Power Saver 11,000 BTU's being sold. It's very possible the individual in this Nov 2013 link had an 8xx series Coleman Mach 1 Power Saver 11,000 BTU with a higher LRA. FWIW (and it may be worth little--lol!!), I've run my 13,500 Dometic a/c with an LRA of 63 amps with one EU2000i with the ECO mode off. I have also seen one EU2000i power a 9xx Coleman Mach 1 Power Saver 11,000 BTU in southern AZ heat (108 deg day temps; 90 deg night temps) for 48 hours straight with the ECO mode on. Ref your comments about changing conditions, if you click on the links in my first post in this thread, you'll note Coleman gives some specs under extreme desert conditions. In any case, there are no guarantees, only calculated risks. As always YMMV. Good luck!
otrfun 11/27/14 07:05pm Tech Issues
RE: Looking for LOWEST BTU Roof A/C available-

Yes- That spec sheet is for the 3PS via the link from another poster. The specs for the 11,000 BTU 9XX Series Mach 1 you mention is: Mach 1 9XX Specs This is lower then the 3 so-called "Power Saver" units. It would SEEM that my Honda 2000i might run it based on the specs- These are the specs for the new 9200BTU Polar Cub Casita installs: Polar Cub 9201 9200 BTU Specs but many Casita users say their Honda 2000i struggles to start that one (plus due to higher fan speeds for use with R410A it's objectionably noisier than the OLD R-22 Polar Cub Series). Strange that it is 9200 BTU in the 9XX Series you mention (and makes me wonder why Casita doesn't install the Mach 1PS instead), but the LRA is HIGHER (45.6) vs. the 11,000 BTU Mach 1 LRA at (41.5). Confusing! But Click Here is a thread where someone with a truck camper tried using the Coleman Mach 1 PS 11,000 BTU unit you suggest, and it worked fine (at cold temperatures) with a Honda 2000i genset. I mention that because I noticed that my 5th wheel A/C uses OVER 15a at hot temps (116 deg ambient, but more like 145 deg on asphalt) and tripped its 15a breaker running, yet when the inside air cooled to the 80's (after the A/C had been running a long time) the unit was only drawing around 12 amps. (I've learned carry a clamp ammeter w/ me at all times). The only way I could keep the breaker in was by pointing a fan at the CB panel until the A/C had cooled the RV interior down a lot. The coolest I could get it it in my 5er was about 87 degrees at the hottest part of the day, but that was AZ parked on an asphalt RV campground lot, a pretty extreme condition which I mention only because A/Cs take a LOT more current in high ambient temps (The Coleman chart in the link shows 25% more in desert conditions, in fact) .
bobinyelm 11/27/14 05:46pm Tech Issues
RE: Smallest AC that a Honda 2000 will Run?

Recently was out for 3 days and had not a single problem running the Honda. I have the 11,000 BTU Coleman PowerSaver (PS) model and can report that at least at sub 1000 ft elev. down to sea-level, the Honda 2000 runs it without issue. The A/C pulls exactly 1050 watts on the low/cool setting which is more than cold enough for us even at 90-95 degrees outside temp. There's plenty of wattage left to also run the fridge (about 200 watts on highest setting), lights, TV and converter without sending the Honda into surge mode. In fact, it ran consistently at probably half throttle during the heat of the day-- when we wanted to get out of the sun. Of course, I did study the specs. of everything and made a weekend-long test at the house before we set out camping anywhere. The Honda gives a continuous output of about 1600 watts with a 10 min. surge of 2000 watts according to manual. Reading a lot of stories where people bought the newer version of the Polar Cub and have not been able to run it on a Honda 2000. The PowerSaver model seems to have been developed specifically for campers who want to use a 2000 watt gen. with a little power left over. Sure, it's taller, but you get the benefit of the larger compressor and therefore less wear and tear. I initially thought I had a 13,500 unit. Upon further inspection (only after removing the control panel) to determine how much work it would be to replace with another unit, and seeing the model number, did I discover it was this PS model. I was ready to replace it with a with a Coleman 8 or 9. Glad I didn't. I'm totally happy with it. Thank you for that info. Answered all my questions.
Snowy Bird 10/17/14 06:32pm Truck Campers
RE: Smallest AC that a Honda 2000 will Run?

Recently was out for 3 days and had not a single problem running the Honda. I have the 11,000 BTU Coleman PowerSaver (PS) model and can report that at least at sub 1000 ft elev. down to sea-level, the Honda 2000 runs it without issue. The A/C pulls exactly 1050 watts on the low/cool setting which is more than cold enough for us even at 90-95 degrees outside temp. There's plenty of wattage left to also run the fridge (about 200 watts on highest setting), lights, TV and converter without sending the Honda into surge mode. In fact, it ran consistently at probably half throttle during the heat of the day-- when we wanted to get out of the sun. Of course, I did study the specs. of everything and made a weekend-long test at the house before we set out camping anywhere. The Honda gives a continuous output of about 1600 watts with a 10 min. surge of 2000 watts according to manual. Reading a lot of stories where people bought the newer version of the Polar Cub and have not been able to run it on a Honda 2000. The PowerSaver model seems to have been developed specifically for campers who want to use a 2000 watt gen. with a little power left over. Sure, it's taller, but you get the benefit of the larger compressor and therefore less wear and tear. I initially thought I had a 13,500 unit. Upon further inspection (only after removing the control panel) to determine how much work it would be to replace with another unit, and seeing the model number, did I discover it was this PS model. I was ready to replace it with a with a Coleman 8 or 9. Glad I didn't. I'm totally happy with it.
joeshmoe 10/17/14 05:18pm Truck Campers
RE: Smallest AC that a Honda 2000 will Run?

The Polar Cub 9200 is a great little unit. We have run ours on a Honda EU2000i generator and on a 10amp electrical outlet here at the house. We only use ours at home when loading up the camper during the summer since we prefer camping in the mountains where it's a lot cooler.
Mello Mike 10/17/14 10:45am Truck Campers
RE: Smallest AC that a Honda 2000 will Run?

I have the following A/C unit installed on my camper Coleman Mach 8 Polar Cub (47201A876) - 9200btu, 11.7 amp on high, 11.2 on low - low profile I've ran it quite a few times with the Honda at ~3500 ft. I did have an issue one time where I couldn't get it to run until I shut off the breaker to the converter. I could not run it with my Champion 2000w generator.
hedge 10/15/14 08:52pm Truck Campers
RE: Smallest AC that a Honda 2000 will Run?

I just bought and installed a coleman polar cub 9200 and it works with the honda 2000. Our elevation is 2,960 feet. Used it this summer while plugged in and kept the camper nice and cool with outside temps well into the 90's. Well worth the money. Only difficulty was figuring how to get it on the roof, two healthy young men, no problem.
d_smith84 10/15/14 08:32pm Truck Campers
RE: Smallest AC that a Honda 2000 will Run?

We just installed one on our 1990 hard side Shadow Cruiser in June. The Honda 2000 runs it fine here in Oklahoma. The humidity doesn't seem do make any difference except in the run off water from condensation. We knew going in the AC and microwave wouldn't run safely at the same time. No biggie. What did become an issue was that the outlet provided for the microwave was wired in with the service to the AC for some strange reason, and not at the breaker, in the wall somewhere. It's an old 45 amp converter set up. We simply moved the microwave over to the cabinet closer to the bed and plug it into the receptacle there that is on a separate breaker so that when on shore power we can run them both. Our older Polar Cub on the horse trailer ran fine, the same as the new one, on a Honda 2000 genny as well. The new ones are supposed to be even more energy efficient so I don't see a problem. However that seems to be the comfort limit for the generator as the A frame hard side camper we had for a time had a 10,500 btu AC/heat pump combo and the Honda didn't like it very much. Anyone needing a really cheap 9200, new PM me.
trailgranny50 10/15/14 07:26pm Truck Campers
RE: Smallest AC that a Honda 2000 will Run?

We have a Polar Cub 9.2 that was installed by the dealer. The reasoning was that it can run off a Honda 2000 and it has a lower profile than the A/C unit offered by the manufacturer. We took delivery of the TC 11 months ago, so I assume it's a newer unit. Our Honda EU2000 Companion runs the A/C, but if we want to use the microwave, we temporarily shut down the A/C. Our experience with the Honda 2000 and PC was relatively near sea-level, somewhere between 500' and 1000', boondocking on the Shenandoah River in July. Nice and humid. We spent a week in The Keys this past August, connected to shore power, and the PC 9.2 performed wonderfully. Staying in Daytona for a couple days, the temp. was 100 degrees with a "humiture" of 120 degrees. We were driveway camping at my sister's and there was zero shade. The PC 9.2 kept us very comfortable. Full disclosure, I've added some upholstery foam for insulation in the bath skylight and a few windows that didn't have storm windows (escape window in the cab-over, pass-through window below the cab-over and rear door window).
Carb Cleaner 10/15/14 06:43pm Truck Campers
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