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RE: Air Conditioner

Off topic questions: Will a single Honda 2000i generator start and run the air conditioner the OP is installing?It should run the A/C, but not the heat strip. From the Spec sheet. Cooling the compressor requires 8.9 amps, and the high I.D. motor (fan) is 1.2. A total (maximum) of 10.1 amps. The specs say O.D. motor is 1.6. I don't know what the O.D. motor is. The Honda 2000 output is 13.3 amps, from the spec sheet. So, that leaves you with about 3.2 amps to spare. I have a Polar Cub which requires a maximum of 9 amps. The Honda runs the Cub just fine. I run the Honda in the Eco mode. Wayne Thanks Wayne - a Polar Cub would very likely be enough in my Snowbird 810 - I don't use it in temps much above 90F...at 3500 - 5000 ft
noteven 07/23/17 09:09pm Truck Campers
RE: Air Conditioner

Off topic questions: Will a single Honda 2000i generator start and run the air conditioner the OP is installing?It should run the A/C, but not the heat strip. From the Spec sheet. Cooling the compressor requires 8.9 amps, and the high I.D. motor (fan) is 1.2. A total (maximum) of 10.1 amps. The specs say O.D. motor is 1.6. I don't know what the O.D. motor is. The Honda 2000 output is 13.3 amps, from the spec sheet. So, that leaves you with about 3.2 amps to spare. I have a Polar Cub which requires a maximum of 9 amps. The Honda runs the Cub just fine. I run the Honda in the Eco mode. Wayne
Reddog1 07/23/17 12:27pm Truck Campers
RE: micro-air easy start

So guys, this video details install and tests this unit real time with inrush peak current meter. He has links to the specific times for each test etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soP0uZFd0nQ&t=1835s - Jeff similar results to what I obtained. see my post on micro air install results. I went from 60A inrush on the compressor alone down to about 25A inrush on 30A service line and when hooked to the honda 2000 on eco mode, had about a 10V peak voltage drop and 22A inrush current. ramped the honda up smoothly, even better than starting my low current draw, low inrush polar cub on another trailer I have. before, the honda 2000 was iffy on the start even with eco off at sea level and 80F or less temp. hit and miss on overload trip or not. Not anymore. Still end up with about a 1300VA draw on the honda 2000 which is rated at only 1600VA continous, so it's not going to give much headroom, but good for many occasions. Don't expect to run the AC and charge batteries, or run a fridge on AC, or turn on the microwave at the same time.
ktmrfs 05/09/17 12:01pm Tech Issues
RE: microair easy start results

What his excellent report also shows is what an outstanding piece of engineering the Microair Easy Start represents. Way to go .... both ktmrfs and Micro Air Corp.!!!! Now ... combine the Micro Air Easy Start with one of the new high efficiency 13.5K RV rooftop air conditioners ... and a single little Honda 2000i just might really shine at any temperature and altitude with Eco mode off or maybe on. yes that would be ideal. the new energy efficient ones draw around 10A which is similar to the polar cub on my smaller trailer. Now another comparison I can describe. my smaller trailer has a coleman power cub, 9,000BTU AC. it is much lower starting current and the honda 2000 will start and run it at 6,000ft plus on hot days. But if I compare subjective starting to the MachIII with easy start, the MachIII and easy start presents a lower initial load to the honda. If in eco mode the polar cub will cause the honda to immediately reve to full throttle and the rpm will vary for a few seconds before settling down as it gets over the inrush load. with the MachIII and easy start, the honda rev's up to final rpm without any fuss in one smooth rev cycle. so IMHO the easy start would be a must have for me on even the newer high efficiency AC units, and I may install one on the polar cub as well. I just need to make sure there is a spot to mount the easy start box.
ktmrfs 05/02/17 09:20am Tech Issues
to the honda2000 owners....

im wondering what kind of rooftop type air conditioner you guys are running with your honda 2000 generators. So far, ive found that the coleman polar cub 9200 and coleman mach 3 power saver can be run with this generator, just wondering if there is anything else.
Scott Malkinson 04/04/17 04:57pm Class B - Camping Van Conversions
RE: Running two 2000 watt generators in eco mode with AC on

With my A/C turned on and when the compressor cycles or kicks off, the fan continues to run, so the fan timed delay seems like it would only matter on initial start up? Maybe the easy start compressor start sequence is enough to enable my A/C to cycle back on with the Honda generator in ECO mode?Glad to be here to help! If your particular A/C keeps the evaporator fan on after the compressor cycles off, and yours is a Coleman low-profile, then yours likely has two separate fan motors. All the Polar Cubs and Mach 8s do in fact have 2 separate motors. So, although the evaporator fan may keep on running, I believe the condenser fan motor will start up coincident with the compressor (normally). Then, since the EasyStart will only delay the compressor startup, the effect on the Honda's ECO mode behavior should be the same. That is, the condenser fan starting up should be enough extra load to kick the Honda up to high RPM before the compressor starting sequence orchestrated by the EasyStart begins 5 seconds later.
Micro-Air 03/23/17 10:23am Tech Issues
RE: 1st View EC 1165 AND Host Mammoth

For the one interested in the 11,000 btu AC and a Honda EU2000 it will NOT start an 11,000 btu AC it will start and run a Polar Cub 9,000 btu AC. Don't know about the Yamaha 2400, all I know is the 11,000 AC requires more amps to start than the EU2000 puts out. The Polar Cub I installed on my EC950 starts and runs fine with my Eu2000. Gary
ggadwa 12/11/16 12:20pm Truck Campers
RE: Coleman Mach1PS 11K AND Honda 2000?

Don't worry about it , that's the lowest amp AC unit made at this time , runs great on a Honda 2000 , in eco mode , at elevation .The old polar cub was 9 amp , the PS 11 K is barely more . My 16 year old Honda runs mine at 7500 elv , without issue , no rejet , plenty of power left over Not to burst any bubbles here (please don't kill the messenger :)) but my experiences with the Honda 2000i and with standard jetting at 7500' 95degf and the 11kbtu Mach1 p.s. is that it wont run the air unit while in the eco mode, and if the RV battery SOC is low (meaning a high amps draw) the onboard converter/charger may also need to be switched to off... The problem (per your scenario while in 'eco mode') is that the honda is slow to instantaniously respond (quickly rev) in response to high current 'inrush' per locked compressor rotor start-ups... There are no silver bullets here, but truthfully, any carburated generator will lose some output at these higher elevations and at higher temperatures, and per Coleman rating, the Mach 1 p.s. will use almost 300 more watts at 115 degF than at 95degF (a normal increase)....The easist solution is that I avoid eco-mode at higher elevations and temps...JMO I couldn't tell you what the problem with your set up is , but my Honda barely complains when the ac goes on ,in eco mode at high elv. My ac has a t-stat that will turn the fan off as well , and that's how I usally run it ,so there is more load that just the compressor going on .Of course there is a delay built in for the comp to kick on. I don't know what temps you encounter at above 7500 ft but I don't think 95 degrees and above is something to worry about .At 95deg the ps 11k is rated at 1025 watts that's with the Rechi comp , unless you have an older one that has a Tecumseh comp then its 1080 watts I live at near 5000ft and am all the time at 7000+ Apples to apples the old polar cub with the old Freon was 8.9 amps on high , 1000 watts at 95 deg , the PS is 9.5 amps high and 1025 at 95 deg , Not directed at you but I`m weary of the AC talk , I spent a few years trying to get people here to realize the cub wasent made anymore and the last model made before the change to the mach cub had new Freon and higher numbers The PS 11K is the best made now for a Honda 2000i Of course you need to be aware of what else you run , I chose to use an prog dyn converter with a charge wizard , so I can set it to a lower amp draw if I chose to , or I can unplug it Maybe I just hold my jaw in the right position , but I don't have any problem with the limited amount of time I need to run the AC at high elv or the constant running of it at lower elv and hotter conditions with the Honda in eco
okan-star 09/03/16 10:44pm Truck Campers
RE: Coleman Mach1PS 11K AND Honda 2000?

Don't worry about it , that's the lowest amp AC unit made at this time , runs great on a Honda 2000 , in eco mode , at elevation .The old polar cub was 9 amp , the PS 11 K is barely more . My 16 year old Honda runs mine at 7500 elv , without issue , no rejet , plenty of power left over Not to burst any bubbles here (please don't kill the messenger :)) but my experiences with the Honda 2000i and with standard jetting at 7500' 95degf and the 11kbtu Mach1 p.s. is that it wont run the air unit while in the eco mode, and if the RV battery SOC is low (meaning a high amps draw) the onboard converter/charger may also need to be switched to off... The problem (per your scenario while in 'eco mode') is that the honda is slow to instantaniously respond (quickly rev) in response to high current 'inrush' per locked compressor rotor start-ups... There are no silver bullets here, but truthfully, any carburated generator will lose some output at these higher elevations and at higher temperatures, and per Coleman rating, the Mach 1 p.s. will use almost 300 more watts at 115 degF than at 95degF (a normal increase)....The easist solution is that I avoid eco-mode at higher elevations and temps...JMO
3 tons 09/03/16 04:15pm Truck Campers
RE: Coleman Mach1PS 11K AND Honda 2000?

Don't worry about it , that's the lowest amp AC unit made at this time , runs great on a Honda 2000 , in eco mode , at elevation .The old polar cub was 9 amp , the PS 11 K is barely more . My 16 year old Honda runs mine at 7500 elv , without issue , no rejet , plenty of power left over
okan-star 09/01/16 10:02pm Truck Campers
Coleman Mach1PS 11K AND Honda 2000?

That is the A/C that I have. Will it run powered by the Honda 2000? At 6000 ft? On eco mode? Will it handle the compressor surge? Should I jet the genny differently for this altitude? I have searched the forum helps pages and the web. Tons of discussion and info on the more common Polar Cub and 13K, but very little on the Mach1 11K I have. joeshmoe has left positive comments on this specific combination which gives me a good feeling about it, but very little other mention. Before I make the plunge for the Honda it would be nice to have a second opinion (not trying to diss you joe!) that I don't need the Yamaha 2400 instead. Would rather have the Honda but the high desert here always throws a wrench into things. I will probably never need A/C above that altitude, as it cools quickly or stays cool there. Here at the house (5000 ft) I sometimes run it but have 30A connection. It's when I go to the desert that I would like to have it -- places like Craters of the Moon or City of Rocks. I've wanted a Honda genny for years but really don't want to get the 3000 because of space constraints. Also, would it be better to get the companion"c" model for the RV plug instead of the "i" model? A/C full load is rated at 9.9 Amps. Don't have a clue if this represents the draw when compressor demands starting amperage. I can figure out how to cut back all the other power demands and such so there is no other draw. I guess the best thing to do is borrow a Honda from someone.
Ranger Tim 09/01/16 12:50pm Truck Campers
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