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Many handle well, and I have noticed that the longer they get, it sometimes is more of a white knuckle experience. Diesel C's are not so much though.

My Toyota being a runt, handles like a dream. Almost like driving around a van.


4 whopping cylinders on Toyota RV's. Talk about great getting good MPG. Also I have a very light foot on the pedal. I followed some MPG advice on Livingpress.com and I now get 22 MPG! Not bad for a home on wheels.


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SandSOrrell wrote:

Can I get a Class C (for example the E450 chassis) with a diesel engine? And does that provide any benefit over gas?
Looking at diesel options for a brand new rig, the only diesel that gets praises is in the Sprinter chassis. I am not diesel savy, but comments I stumble on from others, the E-series diesel as of late is disappointing. Hopefully they will chime in and elaborate.

If you "Build Your Own" EXRDB%5D"> HERE using the Ford website, you can't even choose a diesel engine, so maybe a diesel is no longer available for the E-series.


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If you "Build Your Own" EXRDB%5D"> HERE using the Ford website, you can't even choose a diesel engine, so maybe a diesel is no longer available for the E-series.


Hmm... You may be right, Ron.

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Only regular size class C out when we bought ours in 2008 was a Ford F 550. That was a Dynamax. No E 450 with a diesel.

There are many diesel C's if you want to go into the real big one.(Super C)


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We have a 2008 Winnebago Class C Outlook, 29'. I upgraded to Bilstein shocks all four corners, Bilstein steering dampner, had front end aligned, balanced. I was surprised st the difference it made. My next step is to install the anti-sway bars front and back.


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The diesel was never offered on the E-450 chassis, probably because the extra weight on the front cuts too much into the load capacity.

The E-350 cutaway chassis was offered with the 7.3 diesel, then later with the 6.0 Powerstroke. The diesel version was used extensively for emergency vehicles, but very little by motorhome manufacturers. You can find one used occasionally, it will be one of the smaller motorhomes. The diesel configured for the Econoline offered about the same torque as the 6.8 V10 (and the 460 V8 before that), about 70% of the power of the V10, a little closer on the V8.

I've not been in a E-350 with the 6.0 Powerstroke, but can tell you that the 7.3 diesel will be very noisy at low power settings (particularly idle). All the engines are equally noisy in the E-series at high power (highway passing, grade climbing) if the cooling fan engages.

The diesel might give you 15 to 30% better fuel mileage, depending on how you drive.

To the handling question, nothing is going to make a 28-30 C motorhome feel like a modern front-drive sedan or minivan, or even a large SUV or pickup. A C is a very long box truck on a chassis much lighter than used for commercial truck of that size, and is always fully loaded. It is going to handle like a big box truck, most people who buy a C get used to that, some don't.

It has to do with the size of the box, not issues with the E-series chassis. I drove a half-loaded 17-foot U-Haul on the E-450, and even after 500 miles in one day, compared to my motorhome on the same chassis, the smaller truck felt like a sports car. Your best hope for getting a C motorhome that handles well is to get a very small one.

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Click Here to see on Ebay, a 2007 motor home on a 2007 Ford E450 chassis with a diesel engine, I believe the 6.0 Power Stroke.
It happens to have only 4200 miles on the odometer, looking like brand new.


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tatest wrote:

The diesel was never offered on the E-450 chassis, probably because the extra weight on the front cuts too much into the load capacity.


Not true at all. My fire department has used E450 diesel ambulances since 2003. E450 diesel motorhomes are very rare, but do exist. In commercial applications E450 diesels are very common.


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The casino here uses E-450 chassis diesels for their shuttle busses.

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you can get a larger class c with a diesel in 35 ft range, called a super C
advantage is size and more carrying and towing capcity because built on a different frame. disadvantage is cost and poss noise factor because diesel is in front cab area as opposed to a class a diesel pusher where the diesel is in the rear .jayco makes a super c.
smaller class Cs on the sprinter or mercedes diesel chassis are really class B rv limited to about 24 ft, with less cargo carrying capacity and towing capacity. examples are the winnebego view.
the gas vs diesel debate rages on. search this site and check FAQ section and there should be a lot of info
advantage to gas: cheaper, easier to get worked on, less costly when you get it worked on because parts are easier to get and anyplace that works on gsa engine vehicles can service the engine, but not necessarily the rest of the RV. Even my large RV dealer does not service diesel engines. You have to go to a shop that services diesel engines like an 18 wheeler truck shop. therefore, cost can go up. disadvantage is gas mileage in the 8-10 mph range although some will tell you they get 12 mpg out of their gas engine, I have never even been close to that. Gas engines may get 100K to 200K miles whereas diesel will get 500K. So if you are full timing and driving lots of miles and towing , then diesel might be worth the extra initial outlay. Even for the smaller diesel class Bs or Cs, it will probably cost 15K-20K more for a diesel than a gas engine. If you are just a weekender or do a few trips a year like a lot of us, you only average 5000-10,000 miles a year. So if you r gas engine lasts 200,000 miles, you should get a good 20 years out of it.
Advantages to diesel- longevity, last 500,000 miles or more; towing ability in larger units; gas mileage in smaller units which may get 15 miles per gallon. Disadvantages to diesel- cost, possible nmoise in the cab of a front end engine model; in colder weather they can take longer to warm up and may need additives .; must get serviced at a diesel shop. for example, the mercedes diesel is popular right now in smaller units but I heard parts availability has been an issue and you may have to have serviced at a mercedes authorized shop, and you know what that means.
In my opinion, for weekenders or part time RVers who dont do a lot of mileage, I dont see enough of an advantage in diesel over gas to justify the extra cost. others may differ.

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