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RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

What about Canadian Full Timers? Similar problems to snowbirds? Canada's winters aren't usually hospitable to many of our rigs.
MDKMDK 07/03/20 10:36am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: BC winter travels...

Is Radium in there? I'm only familiar with Liard and heard of the Fairmont Group.
MDKMDK 07/03/20 10:34am RVing in Canada and Alaska
Full Timing in Canadian Winter if the Border is still CLOSED

Anyone on here a full timer that's figured out how they will full time in Canada this winter, considering not all rigs do well in below freezing temperatures for extended periods. Plugged in with tank heaters, and space heaters? Head west to the coast for somewhat warmer temps? Both? I mention it because the US/CAN border may still be closed. If it's opened before November, the point becomes more moot, as most would probably return to following the warmer weather as it moves southwards.
MDKMDK 07/03/20 10:31am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

I hope the border stays closed as long as it takes to minimize spread. I dont know how long that should be, thats why i trust the professionals. Canada currently has good control of this virus. Its important to remember that corona is the enemy. We are all in this together. Agree, and since it's not going away any time soon, time to start planning options for the winter get away? Or, not? The linked article suggests that the "essential" travelers aren't subject to the Quarantine Act, which seems a bit risky. Kinda like no screening at the airports early on.
MDKMDK 07/03/20 08:30am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

You're more likely to die from it here than there. 2 to 1. Per capita, of course. Just open the **** border. I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers from, but once again you’re wildly wrong there neighbour. The US has had about 130k deaths from COVID-19 out of a population of 328.8 million people, so that’s 0.00039598 % Canada has had 8,642 deaths from COVID-19 out of a population of 37.59 million people, so that’s 0.0002299 %. That means the death rate, per capita, is 58 % higher in the US than it is in Canada, not 200 % higher in Canada as you stated. That puts your numbers in error by about a factor of 400 %. Read response to Orion. I apologize for pulling your legs.
MDKMDK 07/03/20 06:34am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

"You're more likely to die from it here than there. 2 to 1. Per capita, of course. Just open the **** border." I think you have that backwards, if you think that you are more likely to die from Covid in Canada than in the US! Their per capita deaths per 1m is 397 and Canada is 229! Lower is good! I know. Just trying to keep the thread alive with more silliness. (is that a word?)
MDKMDK 07/03/20 06:24am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

Ground hog day, all over again. It has been fun.
MDKMDK 07/03/20 05:19am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power. When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious. The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected. You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”? If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind. "the infection rate per capita" is another meaningless stat when you consider population densities here and there, and the number of large cities thay have versus the number of large and densely populated ones up here. How many infections require medical attention? How many hospitalizations? ICU visits? Morgue? That's why I suggested there are too many factors and too much ambiguity in terminaology, and the interpretations of the data they're collecting for there to ever be a right, one size fits all, answer, besides herd immunity and flattening the curve by attrition. We're chasing out tails endlessly on how to deal with this, and the experts can't even agree on mask or no mask. Just keep the highest risk people out of harm's way for a little longer, and lets get on with it. We've been nauseated from Covid19 for almost 6 months now, and I just think it's time to stick our finger down our throat, and get it over with. I still respect your opinions. FWIW. I bid you all adieu. Have a nice weekend, wherever you may be. I hear what your saying, but as my grandpa used to say, you've got your shoes on the wrong way around there. In the US the percentage of population that lives in a urban area in the US is about 80.7%. so then about 19.3 % of the population lives in a rural area. In Canada the percentage of population that lives in a urban area is about 81.4 %. so then about 18.6 % of the population lives in a rural area. So in fact Canada has a higher percentage of the population living in an urban area. Understood, and that's where the majority of the cases are being discovered. Their pace of testing is a half again as many as us. If we kept pace with them for testing ourselves, at the same rate, we'd probably look about the same or possibly a bit worse. It all depends on who you ask or where you get your stats. Type of test, who is performing them, what's the rate of inconclusives, false + or -, it can skew the numbers. Their total tests performed would cover our entire population. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ I thought I unsubscribed from this thread??? “Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.” Your numbers fail your argument again neighbour. The US (as of July 1) has tested about 103k / million of population. Canada has tested about 73k / million of population. The US has therefore tested about 50 % (per capita) more people than Canada but has nearly THREE times the number of cases (per capita again) than Canada does. You're more likely to die from it here than there. 2 to 1. Per capita, of course. Just open the **** border.
MDKMDK 07/02/20 07:16pm RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power. When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious. The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected. You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”? If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind. "the infection rate per capita" is another meaningless stat when you consider population densities here and there, and the number of large cities thay have versus the number of large and densely populated ones up here. How many infections require medical attention? How many hospitalizations? ICU visits? Morgue? That's why I suggested there are too many factors and too much ambiguity in terminaology, and the interpretations of the data they're collecting for there to ever be a right, one size fits all, answer, besides herd immunity and flattening the curve by attrition. We're chasing out tails endlessly on how to deal with this, and the experts can't even agree on mask or no mask. Just keep the highest risk people out of harm's way for a little longer, and lets get on with it. We've been nauseated from Covid19 for almost 6 months now, and I just think it's time to stick our finger down our throat, and get it over with. I still respect your opinions. FWIW. I bid you all adieu. Have a nice weekend, wherever you may be. I hear what your saying, but as my grandpa used to say, you've got your shoes on the wrong way around there. In the US the percentage of population that lives in a urban area in the US is about 80.7%. so then about 19.3 % of the population lives in a rural area. In Canada the percentage of population that lives in a urban area is about 81.4 %. so then about 18.6 % of the population lives in a rural area. So in fact Canada has a higher percentage of the population living in an urban area. Understood, and that's where the majority of the cases are being discovered. Their pace of testing is a half again as many as us. If we kept pace with them for testing ourselves, at the same rate, we'd probably look about the same or possibly a bit worse. It all depends on who you ask or where you get your stats. Type of test, who is performing them, what's the rate of inconclusives, false + or -, it can skew the numbers. Their total tests performed would cover our entire population. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ I thought I unsubscribed from this thread??? “Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.”
MDKMDK 07/02/20 01:59pm RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power. When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious. The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected. You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”? If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind. "the infection rate per capita" is another meaningless stat when you consider population densities here and there, and the number of large cities thay have versus the number of large and densely populated ones up here. How many infections require medical attention? How many hospitalizations? ICU visits? Morgue? That's why I suggested there are too many factors and too much ambiguity in terminaology, and the interpretations of the data they're collecting for there to ever be a right, one size fits all, answer, besides herd immunity and flattening the curve by attrition. We're chasing out tails endlessly on how to deal with this, and the experts can't even agree on mask or no mask. Just keep the highest risk people out of harm's way for a little longer, and lets get on with it. We've been nauseated from Covid19 for almost 6 months now, and I just think it's time to stick our finger down our throat, and get it over with. I still respect your opinions. FWIW. I bid you all adieu. Have a nice weekend, wherever you may be.
MDKMDK 07/02/20 11:08am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

“ (not really, just pulling that old Sarah Palin gaff out of the archives for effect)” I know that was said in jest, and I accept it as such. But, just for the record, that was actually Tina Fey, playing Sarah Palin on SNL, who said “And I can see Russia from my house.” What Sarah Palin actually said, and is 100% true, is that “They’re our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska”. While that quote even gets a chuckle out of me, It’s very much like the quote that’s always attributed to Sherlock Holmes. He never said that in any of the books authored by his creator. :):) I didn't expect to "fact checked" on that reference, but right you are. I was thinking more people might recall the SNL skit by using SP's name than TF's. Haven't watched SNL since the mid-80s. Lorne Michaels must be the unofficial king of TV producer longevity? Born in Toronto left Canada to make his home in the USA, and became a US citizen in 1987, like most of our successful media types eventually do. Thinking about the Russia reference, we could have seen Russia from the Yukon, and BC, if you folks hadn't bought that big snowy piece of real estate from them. There are probably still lots of Russian names and places up there to this day. I almost spit coffee when I saw the sign for Kalifornsky when we were headed out towards Homer a few years ago. It's quite a place, Alaska.
MDKMDK 07/02/20 10:45am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

This is polled regularly. The majority (more than 80 percent) of Canadians want the land border kept closed. The premiers and prime minister are respecting the wishes of the citizens and taking appropriate action. Air travel is currently unrestricted out of the country but one must self isolate upon returning. If someone needs to leave the country they can. They just have to a fly. Gary thank you for your informative link. Cheers. That's because 80% of Canadians never venture outside their neighborhoods, let alone across the border, so it doesn't matter to them. Try polling the people that actually cross the border, those that live in border towns and cities, and regularly cross it, and see if your numbers hold up. Do they poll snowbirds, I wonder? Depends where you live I guess. We live in a town full of snowbirds and own property in a snowbird community. I haven’t met one person who wants the border open. In addition we haven’t met one person who plans on going south even if the borders open....unless of course there is an effective vaccine by then. Personally I would like to go south this fall as we are making some renos to our property there. But won’t risk my families health or that of my community to do it. I respect your position. I understand your concerns. And those of everyone else. Opinions vary. It's that type of issue, on this type of forum. I live on the border. I can see Michigan from my front window. (not really, just pulling that old Sarah Palin gaff out of the archives for effect) That's what forms my opinion.
MDKMDK 07/02/20 06:15am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power. When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious. The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected. You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”? If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind. I get that part. I'm just tired of the closure. I think it should be optional to cross it. If you're a regular traveler and/or snowbird, wait until October/November and see if flattening the curve is still as important to you. I think some minds may change then, as this thing semingly drags out forever. Was there ever a vaccine for West Nile? SARS 1.0? Swine/Avian Flus? Not that I know of, and I suspect that trend will continue with SARS 2.0, so the suggestion that we wait for one effectively means we are isolated as a country. Keep in mind that many "essential" travelers are still regularly crossing the border and potentially unflattening the curve. There are just too many unknowns, variables, and contradictory "experts" on this whole situation, to know what the answer is, but some experts are beginning to turn towards herd immunity as the best option. It may be the only way out of our national bubble.
MDKMDK 07/02/20 05:43am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

This is polled regularly. The majority (more than 80 percent) of Canadians want the land border kept closed. The premiers and prime minister are respecting the wishes of the citizens and taking appropriate action. Air travel is currently unrestricted out of the country but one must self isolate upon returning. If someone needs to leave the country they can. They just have to a fly. Gary thank you for your informative link. Cheers. That's because 80% of Canadians never venture outside their neighborhoods, let alone across the border, so it doesn't matter to them. Try polling the people that actually cross the border, those that live in border towns and cities, and regularly cross it, and see if your numbers hold up. Do they poll snowbirds, I wonder?
MDKMDK 07/02/20 05:37am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

Val, who could be happy the border is closed? Certainly not me! But if it helps contain the virus, I support it. You may and that is your right. All I'm saying is our Canadian friends don't support it. I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power. The sad part is we're really powerless to do much about it, without punitive retaliation by those that are supposed to serve us. They prefer it when it's the other way around. IMHO, of course. re: CBC's veracity. I guess some of you forgot the $600M "Canadian Journlism Support Fund" Trudeau bought them with in 2018? They were bought and paid for 2 years ago, not that it mattered. The were already pro-Liberal, and have been for decades. There are very few right wing anchors or commentators. Again, IMHO, of course. Many articles question that move, but it's still there, none of the MSM turned it down or said, "no we couldn't accept that and maintain our indepndence and journaitic integrity at the same time". They all bellied up to the Liberal's gravy train trough. Many articles about the $600M media support purchase 2018
MDKMDK 07/02/20 05:10am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

It's the CBC, so it's got to be suspect.
MDKMDK 07/01/20 08:41pm RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

You can't live in a bubble forever. Sooner or later you have to emerge, and you will be exposed, of that there can be no doubt. It's not possible to avoid that reality, so you're just delaying the inevitable. Your personal health status when you are exposed, will determine your outcome. It's that simple. Good luck with it, when you do get exposed. God bless.
MDKMDK 07/01/20 08:38pm RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: New E450 Chassis

The new V8 may be the change suggetsed by tbe OP.
MDKMDK 07/01/20 08:30pm Class C Motorhomes
RE: Longer closure gathering momentum...

The Canadians have taken this virus far more seriously than we have. It’s their right and duty to protect their citizens. Canadian govt maybe...we have several Canadian friends and they are ticked off that they can't cross the border. Nailed it. I'd also like the border to open asap. Closed it's costing me money. The border opening "review" is supposed to be July 21. If it goes past the 31st, and it appears it may, then good call Gary, although the supporting docs you posted previously didn't necessarily support the extension. I'll buy you a beer next Fall/Winter when all the Snowbirds flock west to BC.
MDKMDK 07/01/20 06:14am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Are all RV's noisy and rattle?

Yes, they all rattle. Some more than others, as was mentioned.
MDKMDK 06/30/20 01:40pm Class C Motorhomes
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