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RE: Trailer length and sway

Does the wind ever blow in Winnipeg? Since you are buying new gear, I would budget in a Hensley or Pro Pride hitch. This will give you some leeway to get the trailer you want. Bigger is usually better when it comes to trucks. My son has a Laramie 1500 Ecodiesel. Payload is a shade under 1,100#. He doesn't complain about the tow of his 5,000# boat but I know he is overloaded going to the lake. Boats usually have under 10% tongue weight around 5% - 7%, while a travel trailer averages around 13% tongue weight. That's only about 350 lbs tongue weight from that boat. That is pretty light. With a factory brochure weight of 5600 lbs for a light weight 30' travel trailer, you'll have far more. Add about 300 lbs for options on top of base weight, then about 1500 lbs to 2000 lbs for water, food, clothes, and other stuff loaded into the camper. Now that 5600 lbs camper is 7400 lbs. With a 13% tongue weight, you'd have 962 lbs. Quite a bit more than a boat.
Mike Up 08/15/20 05:40pm Travel Trailers
RE: Trailer length and sway

Looking for unbiased advice from experienced towers. Buying both a TV and TT. Will likely be going with a RAM1500 Laramie. No plans to push the limits on payload or towing capacity, but are worried about sway relative to the trucks wheelbase and the trailer length. I’ve seen the “rule of thumb” math formula published, but have also seen people saying it’s an arbitrary **** number. Curious what you all feel would be a comfortable and safe maximum length for a trailer. Thanks! *Edited* First of all if I were to do any travel trailer towing, I wouldn't select a 1500 Ram especially a loaded Laramie Ram. Being they have some of the lowest payload I've ever seen. Worse than many midsize trucks. If I were going to buy a truck and travel trailer, it would be a 1/2 ton F150 or Silverado in a modest trim, not luxury, so that you have good payload. Even better would be a 3/4 ton truck for good payload. I also would upgrade to LT Tires on the 1/2 ton trucks. Preferably to a E Rated tire for stiffer sidewalls. I had BF Goodrich T/A All Terrain KO2s but they were terrible for wet roads. I'd advise against them and choose a different tire as Michelin or Bridgestone. If I were buying a large Travel Trailer, that's heavy and very long, I'd be looking at 3/4 or 1 ton trucks for payload, tow rating and stability. Then again I don't think I'd want to tow over a 32' travel trailer. Going that long I'd start looking at 5th wheels. I have a friend who refuses to tow travel trailers because he said they tow so bad. He only will have 5th wheel campers. But 5th wheels usually require a 3/4 ton truck. A HD Payload package F150 can be optioned for smaller 5th wheel campers. I also used a Blue Ox Sway Pro hitch system. It controlled sway excellent and better than my previous Reese Strait Line System (HP Dual Cam System). You just have to adjust so that you get enough tension on the spring bars or the sway control won't be what it should. The system is very very simple and is pretty much idiot proof as long as you get the spring bar tension that's required for sway control as I said. I used 1000 lbs bars for my previous 29' bunkhouse, the Jayco Jay Flight 26BH.
Mike Up 08/15/20 10:54am Travel Trailers
RE: Where to store extra Propane tank....unbelievable.

Never would I disrespect my wife but it amazes me how intelligents doesn't necessarily equate to common sense. Tell me, you just can't teach common sense. Kind of like when someone posts a gripe about a wife on a forum of thousands. Can't image the repercussions if she were to read the thread. :E :S
Mike Up 08/15/20 10:45am Travel Trailers
RE: Opinion on model of TT

I think where the F150 gets close to the F250 in price is when you add the 3.5, Max Tow and the HDPP. On Fords Build and Price section a super crew 6.5 box XLY starts at 43,310. Same config in an F150 is 41,165 for a difference of 2,145. No options added. Now add Max Tow, 3.5 and HDPP @4,400 and the F150 is now 45,565 or 2,255 more than the F250. As far as MSRP prices, when I was shopping, the 2 were very close to the same but F250 barely had any rebates and dealer wouldn't discount much. That leading to the F250 being about $5K more. At the time, I did have the HDPP package factored in. Even with the HDPP and Max Tow, you're still limited by the hitch weight rating compared to a F250. I wouldn't get a really big TT with a 1/2 ton. Or even with a F250, I'd go up to a 5th wheel. My friend won't even consider a TT as he said they tow like ****. He'll only own 5th wheels, no matter how small it is. Glad you were able to get a good price on your truck.
Mike Up 08/08/20 01:06pm Travel Trailers
RE: Opinion on model of TT

I know the Eco brings a lot to the table with the turbo but unfortunately adding the Eco option PLUS Max Tow/Payload options you are now at the same price or higher than a nicely equipped F250 with a 6.2.. Hum, not what I found when I went to buy a F250 compared to a F150. The F150 has a lot more mark up and rebates than the F250. Apples to Apples, I was looking at $5,000 more for the F250 with 6.2L. The options where all the same between the 2 trucks. I actually was going to pony up and pay the extra $5000 for a F250 until I found how poor the mileage was on the 6.2L. After talking to many, it seems 15 mpg was the best on the expressway and 10 mpg was what everyone was getting around in town driving. Of course mixed, what I normally drive would would be different and most likely 12 mpg or 13 mgp which is way to bad for a truck I'll be driving 22,000/year. I did go with the Ecoboost later and found excellent mileage, better than I actually read about. I'm getting about 2 to 3 mpg than my 5.0L. I actually thought I'd get worse after reading here. Glad I stuck with the F150 as it turned out to be thousands less, gets much MUCH better fuel economy which saves me hundreds every month, and has much better performance by a huge margin. It's also easier to park and get around tight areas with it's shorter 5.5' bed. Unless I was towing a 32' or over heavy weight TT, I would try to stick with a correctly optioned F150. If I was towing a large trailer consistently or for a job, a F250 for sure over a F150. Glad you were able to get a good price on your F250. Right now I think I push for the 7.3L gasser over the 6.2L gasser though. That seems to be the engine to have. I am talking about a Crew Cab 4WD XLT truck with all the better options. For the 6.2L, the 3.73 gears for decent performance. Maybe a extended, 2WD truck would be different.
Mike Up 08/08/20 09:59am Travel Trailers
RE: Opinion on model of TT

ford truck guy..I have actually been to a lot of previous shows and hope to see one the year if the big C settles down. I'm still leaning towards a trailer that's a couple of years old..Let the previous owner deal with the depreciation and repairs hopefully. lynnmor..IT's the 3.5 EcoBoost, with trailer package bringing it to 12700 lbs. And Deb and Ed..Thanks for the link I will have a look. Cheers Al I have a 2019 3.5L Ecoboost Screw 4WD with the Max Tow Package. Are you aware that you must have the 20" wheel option to get the 12,700 lbs, otherwise you are still at the same 10,700 lbs as the Heavy Duty Tow package. Main reason why is that you get a $1000 discount over buying all the options included in the Max Tow Package separately, and on top of that, you get the heavier Duty hitch for the Max Tongue Weight. So you aren't actually paying more, but less for the Max Tow Package. You are actually paying for that 12,700 lbs towing when you get the 20" wheel option. The added tow capacity doesn't come from the wheels, Ford also upgrades the rear axle to a 4050# rating and also changed the steering gear and upgrades the stabilizer bar. The steering wheel will take more turns to turn the same radius, giving you more control and easier steering when it's towing a load. Personally, I didn't know this when I bought my truck as the brochure and owner's manual state 12,700# without the requirement for the 20" Wheel option. Only the ordering guide and website builder's guide mention this which I did confirm. I have 18" wheels and I do not have the 4050# rear axle rating but the standard 3800# rear axle rating. However all this was new for 2018 to give it more towing capcity. The 2017 F150 with the 3800 lbs rated rear axle, had a tow capacity of 11,500#. Don't know why Ford didn't rate the same for the 18" wheel option instead of defaulting back to the lower standard HD tow package rating. Maybe because it's only a difference of 800 lbs. , don't know. However with Travel Trailers and towing with a 1/2 ton truck, they rarely exceed the tow rating but often exceed the payload rating and rear axle rating. So find your hitch rating and don't exceed that. You should stick to campers around 8500 lbs totally loaded or around 6500 lbs dry from the factory OR UNDER to be on the safe side. Most hitch weight when loaded are 13% of the travel trailers total loaded weight but can often go over 15% depending on the trailer. If over 15%, that would limit you to a travel trailer under 6000 lbs if you plan to load it full and full of water. Always go to a weigh station and get your axle weights. Sometimes readjusting your weight distribution hitch several times is needed to get you within your axle ratings and GVWR. If you really want to tow a heavy trailer that over 32' overall, 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks do a much much better job at towing them. Also consider getting LT tires and getting rid of your P series (Passenger Car) tires, as the added side wall stiffness will help you keep better control of the rig and reduce side to side wallowing of the truck in winds due to the P series tire's weak sidewalls. That's why Ford also offers LT tires as an option when ordering. BTW, my 2019 as seen configured in my signature, has 1831 lbs of payload. My previous 2016 which was configured the same but had a 5.0L, 6 speed transmission, and 3.73 geared 9.75" rear differential was rated at 1890 lbs payload. Both my 2016 and 2019 had 3800 lbs rear axle ratings. If you have a Lariat, Platinum, or King Ranch, your payload will be much lower requiring a smaller and lighter travel trailer than even stated above. Good luck finding a camper.
Mike Up 08/07/20 08:37pm Travel Trailers
RE: Trailer length - does that influence spot availability?

Hello All- My family is new to RV camping, and looking to invest in a new or new to us trailer. We are looking at trailers that vary between 30-35 feet in length. My question, is whether a 35' trailer will put us in a length category where we start to find limited spots at a typical campground? I know each campground will vary, but generally, does 35' put us in a category where there are limited spots that will accommodate? If so, what maximum length would you recommend to ensure we have the most choices? Thanks in advance!! Dave Absolutely! I had a 29' travel trailer previous to the Pop Up. It was always limited to the longer sites and even more importantly, the more level sites due to it's long length between the axles and the hitch foot. Shorter campers get the better spots for sure. That's why you usually see the very long 31+ footers in the middle of the park, out in the grass with little tree cover instead of backed up against the tree line or forest. That's the only spots those monsters can fit. Good luck in your choice.
Mike Up 08/06/20 10:17pm Travel Trailers
RE: Thinking of New Aluminum Sided Travel Trailer

I did look at the Jayco Pop Ups and they were horrid. Guessing because of Thor buying Jayco. The bottom of the cabinets where the floor meets, you could see light to the outside as they were not built right or sealed. This was on every pop up on the lot. The beds didn't even have a pull loop to pull it out. It took the salesman and me, to even pull out the queen bed. Then the top wouldn't go down. The salesman climbed up onto the roof and sat on it, to get it down enough to get the latches to actually latch. Afterwards he said he recommends against buying those 2019 pop ups as he said they are made really bad as we seen. The Somerset pop up aren't even close. The closest dealer is like 300 miles away and they didn't even have any stock. Don't see them making tent pop ups much longer as they aren't marketing them to sell.
Mike Up 08/06/20 10:02pm Travel Trailers
RE: Thinking of New Aluminum Sided Travel Trailer

I told you about poor quality forest river popups. I had the 2010 new 625d , 2007 Jay Series 1206 and bought an auction buy 2007 Jayco select 12HW for $750 bid. I wouldn’t buy any travel trailer again. Unfortunately Forest River really is the only pop up maker now. The 2005 2290 I had was really really bad but hek, this was 14 years later, surely they could only get better. So far, it's only been worse but here's to hoping that I'm done fixing and the camper will be reliable. Here's crossing my fingers very hard! I could never buy used, I never found anything that was reasonably priced or in good shape. That's why I buy new. Why not a travel trailer, bad luck with your hybrid?
Mike Up 08/06/20 07:08pm Travel Trailers
RE: Thinking of New Aluminum Sided Travel Trailer

The Gulfstream was a Streamlite and I traded it on a Forest River Cherokee TH. Both were fiberglass not aluminum. There are 3 Gulfstream dealers in KS now. The dealer I bought from went out of business, the dealer I traded mine into use to carry Gulfstream but dropped them. Hopefully they have improved their quality. This has been many years ago so information might not be revalent to current quality. Ironically I owned a Gulfstream Seahawk that was very well built before I bought the new ultralight. Yeh, my coworker just bought a Cherokee 274DBH which is a really nice trailer for cheaper, under $20K. BUT I would have a hard time buying Forest River after the continuing issues I have which are all build quality problems of the camper and appliance installation problems which are not the fault of the supplier. I was looking at Streamlite which is sold as clones under different names for the retailer area. Any serious issues with yours?The box of the trailer was structural with foam and luan for the floor walls roof and a very light frame because of this. When putting on WD bars I actually bent the frame a little. The tires were under size for the weight. The floors were spongy from lack of support. All the interior curtain trim was stapled on with a hundreds of office staples and would fall off. The bathroom door didn’t fit. The slide out was installed crooked. The cut the vinyl flooring. Some of the interior lights weren't wired up. The radio didn't work. I don't think there is much difference between any RV built in Elkhart Indian. There work force is all out of the same pool of people by the same type of management that let workers go home when there quota is achieved. There is absolutely no incentive what so ever to build quality. Wow, that's some serious issues on the Gulf Stream. My Forest River campers are not anywhere that bad. It's just build quality in the furniture and cabinets where stuff fails, along with appliance installation issues. I just keeping fixing them all the time. Hopefully I'm done fixing for good. I may just keep this pop up as it's pretty large and comfortable. While my wife doesn't like the mattresses, I think they are some of the most comfortable mattresses I have slept on including my own bed. Then again I outweigh my wife by over 100 lbs. I really liked the floorplans of the travel trailers but I honestly don't want another "house" to maintain unless we do a lot of camping. Was trying to find a private campground to do a weekend trip since all the state parks are reserved on the weekends until the end of the year. I can't believe that some campground are charging $80 a night for a full hookup campsite what I paid $27 a night a decade ago. New owners but that's ridiculous. The other campgrounds all start around $50 for little narrow campsites. No wonder the state parks are full, when they offer huge sites for $28/night even if the site only has electric. Guess I'll continue to go to our standard 3 private campgrounds that are reasonable priced with large sites and the state parks.
Mike Up 08/06/20 06:22pm Travel Trailers
RE: Thinking of New Aluminum Sided Travel Trailer

My brother had an aluminum sided trailer that the siding developed corrosion perforations. No sure, but I heard the Grand Design Transcend line of trailers use a plastic siding instead of aluminum. According to their website they use Strongwall Aluminum Exterior so I don't think it's plastic siding. Thanks though.
Mike Up 08/05/20 08:58pm Travel Trailers
RE: Thinking of New Aluminum Sided Travel Trailer

Which trailers did you have from each. The dealer put Jayco and Amerilite (Gulf Stream) higher in relibility and better overall units than his other stock of travel trailers from Dutchman and Forest River. Surprising you had the opposite experience since the Jayco and Amerilite trailers were my dealers cheapest stock but he values a repeat customer as he's been there at least 20 years I know of. Thanks and thanks for the comments.Why didn't you just buy the Gulfstream then? What brought you to these boards if your dealer, who's been in business for 20 years and values repeat business, told you the Gulfstream was best? You asked for recommendations then you dismiss them out of hand. Go Figure! Because I bought the Jayco Jay Flight back in 2012 instead which was their preferred brand and mine at the time. Never did I dismiss, it's called conversation, you know one person states their opinion or experience and then you respond with your experiences.:) Thanks for being so helpful!!!! I just love your attitude from across a computer. Thankfully I never seem to get that when talking campers with anyone in person.
Mike Up 08/05/20 08:53pm Travel Trailers
RE: Thinking of New Aluminum Sided Travel Trailer

You live in a salt state and most trailers are built there as well. If your trailer was delivered while the roads had salt or you towed during winter, all bets are off. I don't care what brand or type of construction, the salt will get in there and sooner or later the damage will become obvious. Never buy a trailer that was exposed to road salt. I'm not buying that. I know plenty of people that hunt in the winter and use their travel trailers. No one has ever had damage caused by salt. Don't let those Southerners cloud your mind. :)
Mike Up 08/05/20 08:47pm Travel Trailers
RE: Thinking of New Aluminum Sided Travel Trailer

Mike Up Can you better explain what the galvanic corrosion you experienced on the Jayco involved? Did the staples holding the aluminum panels rot out causing the aluminum panels to become detached from the trailer? The reason I ask is that I have a 2010 Jayflight 32BHDS and do not think I have any corrosion of the aluminum siding. I am pretty meticulous with the roof and other maintenance, so I would think that I would have noticed something if it were there. Thx Yeh, it was in the front corners going from the bottom and working it's way to the top. The service techs thought it was staples that worked out rubbing on the inside of the panel. Staples on the corner, just outside of the corner vertical trim piece. They weren't sure without ripping all the trim and panels off which they said would be a few thousand or even more in parts and labor. So I elected to just fix the corrosion areas instead of pulling everything off. If I had a pole barn, I would had attempted to do things myself.
Mike Up 08/05/20 08:45pm Travel Trailers
RE: Thinking of New Aluminum Sided Travel Trailer

The Gulfstream was a Streamlite and I traded it on a Forest River Cherokee TH. Both were fiberglass not aluminum. There are 3 Gulfstream dealers in KS now. The dealer I bought from went out of business, the dealer I traded mine into use to carry Gulfstream but dropped them. Hopefully they have improved their quality. This has been many years ago so information might not be revalent to current quality. Ironically I owned a Gulfstream Seahawk that was very well built before I bought the new ultralight. Yeh, my coworker just bought a Cherokee 274DBH which is a really nice trailer for cheaper, under $20K. BUT I would have a hard time buying Forest River after the continuing issues I have which are all build quality problems of the camper and appliance installation problems which are not the fault of the supplier. I was looking at Streamlite which is sold as clones under different names for the retailer area. Any serious issues with yours?
Mike Up 08/04/20 04:46pm Travel Trailers
RE: Thinking of New Aluminum Sided Travel Trailer

I considered my Forest River and Keystone trailers a giant step up in quality over my previous Gulfstream, best of luck to you. The Gulfstream was the only trailer I bought new and traded in after its maiden voyage. Which trailers did you have from each. The dealer put Jayco and Amerilite (Gulf Stream) higher in relibility and better overall units than his other stock of travel trailers from Dutchman and Forest River. Surprising you had the opposite experience since the Jayco and Amerilite trailers were my dealers cheapest stock but he values a repeat customer as he's been there at least 20 years I know of. Thanks and thanks for the comments.
Mike Up 08/04/20 04:09pm Travel Trailers
RE: Thinking of New Aluminum Sided Travel Trailer

I had a 2012 Jayco Jay Flight travel Trailer. It started getting corrosion spots vertically along the front corner of the camper. I fixed everything that was there, but new spots were continuing to pop up in different areas. So I fixed what I seen and hopefully that was the last of it. I went to a pop up mainly for storage and low cost preventive maintenance along with easy towing and overall yearly tax and insurance costs. Been doing a lot of research and seeing many stick and tin or aluminum sided campers have this galvanic corrosion issues with Jayco being the worst on their Jay Flights. My coworkers friend had the same issue with his newer Jayco Jay Flight and got rid of it. I am thinking of ditching my Forest River pop up because their quality is pretty pathetic. I'm on my second camper, 1st was a lemon, and the second has been nothing but a garage queen as well. Every trip something falls apart and this is a brand new 2020. So I won't be getting any more Jayco or Forest River campers, but looking at Gulf Stream and Grand Design aluminum sided camper, but if this is a wide spread issue of galvanic corrosion, I'll skip campers all together and start renting cabins. I seen makers should use zinc coated staples or Galvanized staples which is suppose to stop galvanic corrosion. I don't know why Jayco has such bad aluminum panels. First 2008 Jay Flight had to have them all replaced due to paint peeling off. Second 2012 got corrosion spots as I stated. maybe Jayco isn't using galvanized staples and/or their aluminum panels have impurities and alloys causing the corrosion. BTW, I'm not a rooky. I have had 6 brand new camper including the lemon. 2 Jay Flight Travel Trailers, 3 Forest River Pop ups (all poor quality including lemon. 1st was 15 years apart from the 2019 lemon and the 2020 pop up), and a Starcraft Pop Up. Thanks for your help I am pretty amazed at your luck.... Six new trailers,and all were junk.... Don't buy any lottery tickets:B Yes I've had numerous problems with all, but only the Forest River pop ups gave continuous issues. The Starcraft pop up was good but had leaky tenting that was fixed. Got married and wife needed a less cramped camper. The Jayco 26BH was excellent except for the corrosion. That is a huge issue though.The Jayco 19BH had several issues and went back to facory for all new skin and other initial issues. Was excellent after that. Got severe hail damage and had another kid, so needed another bed. Good time to get rid of it for the 26BH. Forest river pop ups keep continuing to have issues. Thought that would had changed after 15 years but it has not. Got rid of first because it was so bad. Got rid of second 15 years later after it being a lemon. On my last and hopefully it will be good now and will keep it as its the perfect floorplan with great amenities. If any more issues, it's gone. Wife wants a travel trailer again mainly due to hating current problem plaqued pop up camper. Getting my ducks in a row to make educated decision on next move.
Mike Up 08/03/20 07:39pm Travel Trailers
RE: Thinking of New Aluminum Sided Travel Trailer

I am interested in the laminated built Gulf Stream Cabin Cruiser line and Vista Cruiser, but there are far more floorplans I like in their Stick and Tin models. Even so from Grand Designs. But as I said, if galvanic corrosion is a common thing with Stick and Tin because makers are going cheap and using panels with impurities and/or are not using the right staples or screws, I don't want to be duped into another 7 year life span travel trailer. I have always kept that Jayco up. Got it sealtech leak tested every year and recaulked every year along with fixing anything that was needed. Then the corrosion came and I fixed it everytime. Just no excused for a 7 year old camper to be corroding away or laminating away. I've always read and heard good things about Gulf Stream so I'm looking at their campers. I also hear good things about Grand Design even though I have found their furnishings made cheaply compared to Jayco. Seems many here have had good luck with stick and tin from other makers so maybe Gulf Stream and Grand Designs would be a good start as they have many floorplans I like. Thanks for the help.
Mike Up 08/03/20 04:39pm Travel Trailers
RE: Thinking of New Aluminum Sided Travel Trailer

I've always been against laminated wall, floor, and roof campers. I've seen brand new campers delaminating right on the dealers lot, which had been Jayco Jay Feathers and Keystone Outbacks. I've seen so many laminated wall travel trailers delaminate, I swore I wouldn't buy one and why I had stuck to stick and tin. Also negatives being that many makers use hollow core aluminum tubing where cabinet can fall off the wall because the screws don't have good anchors. Some have used wood core aluminum tubing to keep that from happening. Also others have complained that the aluminum tubing in the laminated walls conducts the cold and cause condensation on the inside of the walls in the camper. With this galvanic corrosion and delamination, seems like all are built as disposable. Not sure if I even want to buy another camper if they will only last around 7 - 8 years without major structural deterioration that costs more to repair than the camper is worth.
Mike Up 08/02/20 06:40pm Travel Trailers
RE: Thinking of New Aluminum Sided Travel Trailer

You said a lot but you never did ASK a question. Sorry, somehow that line was erased from this paragraph. "So I won't be getting any more Jayco or Forest River campers, but looking at Gulf Stream and Grand Design aluminum sided camper, but if this is a wide spread issue of galvanic corrosion, I'll skip campers all together and start renting cabins." Here's the question that should had been there. So is galvanic corrosion a widespread problem on all makes? Thanks for pointing that out.
Mike Up 08/02/20 06:22pm Travel Trailers
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