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RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

The current CP4.2 is not the same as the old one that was notorious for failing on the 2011-2015 Ford and GM trucks. There is a different cam profile among other things and the max pressure was raised from 29k to 39k psi. I believe the new Cummins is only pushing out 29k psi which plays a huge role in the pumps longevity and reliability since it is not utilizing the pump to its max capacity like Ford and GM were with the old CP4.2. The new 2020 PSD is utilizing 36k psi from the new CP4.2.
ShinerBock 10/19/19 12:25pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

There should be a caveat with N/A gaser tow ratings such as you loose X pounds of rating every Y feet above elevation instead of just saying it can tow 16,000 lbs. Unless doing 25 mph at 5,000 rpm without any power to pass is your idea of towing. At the end of the test they were going 2600 RPM at 25 mph. Truck wouldn't downshift. I wonder what would have been different if they put it in manual. To be honest I never put mine in manual, but I have not towed the IKE. They were screaming at 5,000 rpm most of the way when they were taking the noise measurement and they lost speed when it up-shifted until they got too low and it downshifted to high rpms again. In order to maintain a decent speed, it would have needed to be in the upper 5,000 rpm. That is not my idea of towing. GM should decrease the tow ratings for that altitude. It was and 5000 RPM is fine for a gasser. That is what they are designed to do. I know some people are uncomfortable with that. The problem is the further they went the lower rpms went and by the time they hit the top they were at 2600 rpm. I don't know why it wouldn't down shift. In manual you could have. I don't know what algorithm GM is using for down shifting. Thing also needs 4.10s. I am sure the engine is fine revving at 5k as long as the oil cooler and radiator can keep up that much of a sustained load/heat(some modern gasers can't). I just don't want to hear it. I had to in my 4.6L and it was teeth chattering to hear it scream up and down the hills for 150 miles. Although if you are revving that high for such long periods of time on a regular basis then I would do the severe duty cycle in preventative maintenance. I would have put it in manual and forced a downshift, and yes it needs 4:10's and a 10 speed.
ShinerBock 10/18/19 01:14pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

There should be a caveat with N/A gaser tow ratings such as you loose X pounds of rating every Y feet above elevation instead of just saying it can tow 16,000 lbs. Unless doing 25 mph at 5,000 rpm without any power to pass is your idea of towing. At the end of the test they were going 2600 RPM at 25 mph. Truck wouldn't downshift. I wonder what would have been different if they put it in manual. To be honest I never put mine in manual, but I have not towed the IKE. They were screaming at 5,000 rpm most of the way when they were taking the noise measurement and they lost speed when it up-shifted until they got too low and it downshifted to high rpms again. In order to maintain a decent speed, it would have needed to be in the upper 5,000 rpm. That is not my idea of towing. GM should decrease the tow ratings for that altitude.
ShinerBock 10/18/19 12:39pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

There should be a caveat with N/A gaser tow ratings such as you loose X pounds of rating every Y feet above elevation instead of just saying it can tow 16,000 lbs. Unless doing 25 mph at 5,000 rpm without any power to pass is your idea of towing.
ShinerBock 10/18/19 12:11pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

When I ditched diesel and bought a 6.4L Hemi, cost was only one thing I considered. The reliability of diesels at the time was suspect (2013 ish), and the DPF/DEF issue was something I didn't want to deal with. Most around here with trucks of that vintage have removed the emissions junk now as they tend to be troublesome when mileage creeps up, and since we don't have mandatory emissions testing. I had about a 10 mile commute at the time, and neither of my diesels ever got to operating temp in 10 miles at -25 to -30*C or colder, even when the grill was completely blocked and they had been plugged in, inside a garage before starting. I froze every day driving to work. My use case would have killed a DPF equipped truck. I also only towed (actually had the trailer behind the truck) for 5-7 days a YEAR. Yes, we took 3 week vacations, but that was usually 2-3 days total towing. Some trips were less than a day. The 6.4L Hemi towed my 12k 5er with no issue at all. The mpg was about 30% less than the diesel it replaced, but unleaded is, and was cheaper than diesel fuel where I live (Canada). The premium for a diesel over a gas truck in Canada is closer to 12K, not 9K. I was very happy with the big gasser I had. Now, if towing performance is the only data point you look at to compare trucks, the diesel will win every time, as they out perform the gassers when it comes to towing power. That is a fact. For me though, that was NOT the primary consideration. I was evaluating the truck based on the other 360 days of the year when I used it for personal use, and for that, the gasser won hands down. These are all valid points as to why one would consider a gas truck over a diesel. I agree that there are many things to consider when buying a tow vehicle and everyone has different circumstances. However, it is still plain false that a diesel costs ten to fifteen thousand more in the long run when all things are considers as was previously stated. If one actually does the math, the difference is very minimal and I would wager that it is greater than the the total cost difference a 6.4L owner paid over a 5.7L HD owner. To your point looking at the big picture, you can't just look at upfront cost(like non diesel owners do) when calculating total cost. Most "assume" that it will cost them more for a diesel even though they don't even tow, but the they have never actually done the numbers to verify. To a diesel owners point, you are basically getting added performance and more capability for free or next to nothing over the ownership of the vehicle. That is something you can't do with higher performance engine options in light duty pickups or sports cars because nine times out of ten the higher performance engine uses considerably more fuel making the cost higher in the long run. Heck even if it cost you an extra $1,000 over the course of 100k miles, that is less that what a 6.4L owners paid over the 5.7L and you are getting a lot more performance from the diesel than a 6.4L owner does over a 5.7L.
ShinerBock 10/18/19 06:49am Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

I can't believe people stressing over 3 and a half minutes. I towed all over with an 89 1 ton Big Block Chevy TBI for years and at times was down to 12mph. We are talking the IKE. For someone like me who tows 7500 to 8000 lbs 15 to 20 times year and won't daily drive a truck this thing would work just fine. 10,000 to 15,000 dollars is not worth 3 and a half minutes to me. Lets be realistic, anyone who tows 16,000 lbs up and down the IKE on the regular is not buying a gasser anyway. It is not just about 3 and half minutes. That was just one up hill section of many of having to hear an engine whine at 5k which gets tiring. It is also about having the power to spare when you need to pass. I used to think the same way you did until my old 4.6L F150. It was "just enough" until I was stuck behind a semi truck for what seemed like forever on a two lane road doing less than 45 mph because I did not have power to pass him when a passing lane opened. I would rather arrive at camp refreshed than with my nerves shot. Also, a diesel does not cost $15k so I am not sure where you are getting that number from. If you count the fuel savings and resale/trade-in value, the difference is less than a few grand and in some cases like mine it is in the diesel's favor. If I traded my truck in today going by local trade-in value, the 6.4L gas version my truck would have cost me over $500 more accounting for fuel cost, preventative maintenance cost, taxes, interest, registration, and resale/trade-in value. My truck would be more expensive than the 5.7L version by a grand. Certainly is 10 to 15000 dollars more here in Washington state. Place I picked up my truck had two new trucks on the lot. One diesel one gasser, same options 12,000 dollars difference. You might not like the sound of 5k doesn't mean it isn't doing what it is supposed to. Again. Right tool for the job, you don't need diesel to lug around 7000 to 10000lbs, 16000 sure. Like I said if you are running the Ike everyday or daily driving you will want the diesel. No one in there right mind is going to buy a gasser to pull 16,000lbs regularly. Yeah, but calculate total cost of ownership with a release/trade-in value at the end of 100k or 150k like I did below. You will find that even if you don't tow at all, the difference in cost is nowhere near that. https://i.postimg.cc/4NM2G2wL/5-7-vs-6-4-vs-6-7-2.png height=650 width=550 I'm interested in your truck prices, oil changes, fuel filter changes and various other fixes. Doesn't change the fact the overall purchase price is cheaper. Everyone's fuel mileage and maintenance varies. Trucks prices are based on my trucks MSRP and the other trucks MSRP were minus the difference in the diesel option. I confirmed them when I went to build a truck on Ram's website. Oil and fuel filter changes on a Cummins are every 15k no matter what so that doesn't change and it comes with a 100k mile engine warranty. Over all price isn't cheaper as you can see in my chart(unless you are referring to up front price?). The mileage is an average of over a million miles and hundreds of members posting to Fuelly.com. Yeah, one would probably be able to get better or worse fuel mileage depending on their driving style, but it would better or worse than average regardless of what engine you are using since it is your driving style that is making the difference so it makes that argument a moot point. Your argument may be valid for GM gassers versus diesels, but not all diesels. You would only have yourself to blame in that case for narrowing yourself to one brand.
ShinerBock 10/17/19 09:42am Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

I can't believe people stressing over 3 and a half minutes. I towed all over with an 89 1 ton Big Block Chevy TBI for years and at times was down to 12mph. We are talking the IKE. For someone like me who tows 7500 to 8000 lbs 15 to 20 times year and won't daily drive a truck this thing would work just fine. 10,000 to 15,000 dollars is not worth 3 and a half minutes to me. Lets be realistic, anyone who tows 16,000 lbs up and down the IKE on the regular is not buying a gasser anyway. It is not just about 3 and half minutes. That was just one up hill section of many of having to hear an engine whine at 5k which gets tiring. It is also about having the power to spare when you need to pass. I used to think the same way you did until my old 4.6L F150. It was "just enough" until I was stuck behind a semi truck for what seemed like forever on a two lane road doing less than 45 mph because I did not have power to pass him when a passing lane opened. I would rather arrive at camp refreshed than with my nerves shot. Also, a diesel does not cost $15k so I am not sure where you are getting that number from. If you count the fuel savings and resale/trade-in value, the difference is less than a few grand and in some cases like mine it is in the diesel's favor. If I traded my truck in today going by local trade-in value, the 6.4L gas version my truck would have cost me over $500 more accounting for fuel cost, preventative maintenance cost, taxes, interest, registration, and resale/trade-in value. My truck would be more expensive than the 5.7L version by a grand. Certainly is 10 to 15000 dollars more here in Washington state. Place I picked up my truck had two new trucks on the lot. One diesel one gasser, same options 12,000 dollars difference. You might not like the sound of 5k doesn't mean it isn't doing what it is supposed to. Again. Right tool for the job, you don't need diesel to lug around 7000 to 10000lbs, 16000 sure. Like I said if you are running the Ike everyday or daily driving you will want the diesel. No one in there right mind is going to buy a gasser to pull 16,000lbs regularly. Yeah, but calculate total cost of ownership with a release/trade-in value at the end of 100k or 150k like I did below. You will find that even if you don't tow at all, the difference in cost is nowhere near that. https://i.postimg.cc/4NM2G2wL/5-7-vs-6-4-vs-6-7-2.png height=650 width=550
ShinerBock 10/17/19 09:23am Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

I can't believe people stressing over 3 and a half minutes. I towed all over with an 89 1 ton Big Block Chevy TBI for years and at times was down to 12mph. We are talking the IKE. For someone like me who tows 7500 to 8000 lbs 15 to 20 times year and won't daily drive a truck this thing would work just fine. 10,000 to 15,000 dollars is not worth 3 and a half minutes to me. Lets be realistic, anyone who tows 16,000 lbs up and down the IKE on the regular is not buying a gasser anyway. It is not just about 3 and half minutes. That was just one up hill section of many of having to hear an engine whine at 5k which gets tiring. It is also about having the power to spare when you need to pass. I used to think the same way you did until my old 4.6L F150. It was "just enough" until I was stuck behind a semi truck for what seemed like forever on a two lane road doing less than 45 mph because I did not have power to pass him when a passing lane opened. I would rather arrive at camp refreshed than with my nerves shot. Also, a diesel does not cost $15k so I am not sure where you are getting that number from. If you count the fuel savings and resale/trade-in value, the difference is less than a few grand and in some cases like mine it is in the diesel's favor. If I traded my truck in today going by local trade-in value, the 6.4L gas version my truck would have cost me over $500 more accounting for fuel cost, preventative maintenance cost, taxes, interest, registration, and resale/trade-in value. My truck would be more expensive than the 5.7L version by a grand.
ShinerBock 10/17/19 08:47am Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

Dang, 11 minutes and 54 seconds to do what it took the diesel 8 minutes and 24 seconds. I don't think I could handle slowing all the way down to 25 mph. That is why any money spent on the diesel option is well worth it for me(even though it generally pay for itself on resale). My nerves would be shot going that slow.
ShinerBock 10/17/19 07:16am Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

That doesn't look like a Semi.
ShinerBock 10/14/19 05:38pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Ford 6.7L 1050 ft lbs TQ at 1,600 rpm, 475 HP at 2,800 rpm

^^^^ 54k without the trailer,64k with the trailer.Rig pulls like a locomotive. With 12 gears you're engine is always going to be at an optimum rpm for whatever you're doing .... cruising, climbing or anything in between, but, when 64k meets a long 8% grade you'll be chugging up the hill right along side Cummins at 30-35 mph saying I think I can I think I can. Yeah, he would need over 1,100 hp to tow an 8% at 65 mph at that weight.
ShinerBock 10/14/19 02:57pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Says a guy who drives an 8.1L that emits more PM, NOx, CO, CO2 and gets worse fuel mileage than any modern diesel. And drives a direct injected gas engine that emits more PM, CO, CO2, and used more fuel than the equivalent diesel car. Practice what you preach much? I had two PSD Excursions that were a pain in the but to maintain compared to my 8.1 van that has double the space and payload compared to my PSD Excursions.What SUV could carry 12 passengers and luggage on long trips ? BTW I just road my bike over 12,000 miles since Oct. 20 2017 and that is more miles than my 8.1 van in the last ten years. A used E350 with a PSD if you need to tow more than 5k or a new Transit with a 3.2L diesel if you don't. Either come with a payload of over 2,500 lbs. To me, someone who is telling others that they should protect the environment should do all they can to do the same as well. Like Elon who makes electric cars yet flies over 150k miles a year on a private jet and blast rockets into the sky. One would think that if we were really on the brink of a major climate catastrophe like they claim, then he would stop using private jets and put blasting rockets into the air on hold until we got it under control. I guess they are more into people doing as they say and not as they do. Is that a joke or what ? No. :S Like Elon who makes electric cars yet flies over 150k miles a year on a private jet and blast rockets into the sky. Get a clue. https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/12/18616535/spacex-starlink-elon-musk-60-satellites-launch https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-made-in-china-gigafactory-3-test-track-sighting/ And...... those rockets still pollute regardless if he is doing it to make profit by blasting satellites in the air. He also doesn't need to fly 150k miles on a private jet.
ShinerBock 10/11/19 11:54am Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

The tax subsidies don't have an effect on people's lives? The millions Tesla gives to one political group does not have effect on people's lives? The millions spent on lobbying for more money or peripheral treatment does not have effect on people's lives? The fact that these cars are not only taking money, but are not paying for road usage through fuel taxes not effect people's lives? The fact that their CEO logs 150k miles a year on his corporate jet and sends up countless rockets into the air polluting the atmosphere even more not effecting people's lives? Pulling in investors with propaganda events making empty promises and then not delivering making your investment decrease don't have an effect on people's lives? There are probably many more reasons not to like Tesla just like there is with any other car company.Yes all that and I suppose the 45,000 jobs at Tesla have an effect on people's live too. Although please clarify what political group get millions from Tesla. Now if those road taxes would actually get spent on the roads. Millions spent on peripheral treatment? You mean like fighting to even have it legal to sell their products in half the states? Jet travel? Reminds me when Congress asked GM if they flew commercial when they came begging for money. Yes those rockets send communication and military satellites up so we can have TV and a secure place to live. Actually the reusable rockets should be less polluting compared to anything used prior and still used by every other launch. Investments come with risks. If you don't have the stomach, stay away from the free market. Or are you saying the entire market system should be abolished? You seem just angry at the entire world. I feel sorry for you. Go find some joy. You asked for reasons people may dislike Tesla and I gave you some from what I have heard here and other sites so this is not me being angry at the world or whatever you are insinuating. The same can be said for any other brand. I have heard many reasons why people hate them as well. Some valid, some irrational. It is also the same visa versa for people who have an irrational love for a brand that only see pros and never want to admit or see cons which is why we tend to call them fanboys.
ShinerBock 10/11/19 09:11am Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

But this is really more on my disagreement of the government picking winners and losers and what technology should be emphasized. They have picked (govt) electricity where maybe a better alternative is an option but may never be realized because the capital has already been earmarked. Yeah, just like the government does with diesel over gasoline engines. Gasoline engines are worse for the environment than diesels, but the EPA has a hard on against diesels. That is why the US have more strict regulations on emissions from diesels like Nox than places like the EU yet have more lenient emissions from gas engine like CO and CO2 in the US versus the EU. Not only that, but our fuel mileage test cycles are designed so that gas engines achieve the best mileage possible which do not allow diesels achieve their best fuel mileage. This is why most gas engines get worse fuel mileage in the real world versus EPA mpg and diesels generally get much better mpg than EPA mpg. This also makes their estimated CO2 output much lower in the real world since it get much better fuel mileage in the real world and gas engines get much worse. There is also the fuel standards. Today's diesels are most effiecnt at cetane levels between 48-50 CN. However, US federal standards are for a minimum of 40 CN which is what is used in EPA mileage and smog tests. Some states like California which has a 53 CN requirement and Texas which has a 48 CN requirement do not use the federal 40 CN minimum. The EU has a 51 CN minimum. It is like someone at the EPA can't stand diesels so they stack then deck against them in every way possible to get rid of them with overly strict standards that no other country in the world puts on them along with the lowest fuel standards as well.
ShinerBock 10/11/19 07:47am Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

You don't actually need to care about the environment to enjoy the smooth, quiet, effortless power an EV provides. Lower fuel cost and fewer trips for scheduled maintenance is a bonus. And you don't even have to buy a Tesla. Plenty of choices on the market. I already have that with my current diesels aside from the quietness. I don't like a completely quit car. There is a reason why I generally don't listen to the radio when I am driving. It is because I like to hear my car/truck while I am driving. It is apart of the whole experience that I enjoy. I also like doing my own maintenance modifications and upgrades on vehicles. Reminds me of when I was a kid helping my pops with his race cars. So to some, these things may be a bonus. To others it may not. There are also negatives to owning an EV so you can't just point out the positives.That is wonderful. Keep on truckin' I still find it odd to be put off by Tesla if they basically have no effect on your life. The tax subsidies don't have an effect on people's lives? The millions Tesla gives to one political group does not have effect on people's lives? The millions spent on lobbying for more money or peripheral treatment does not have effect on people's lives? The fact that these cars are not only taking money, but are not paying for road usage through fuel taxes not effect people's lives? The fact that their CEO logs 150k miles a year on his corporate jet and sends up countless rockets into the air polluting the atmosphere even more not effecting people's lives? Pulling in investors with propaganda events making empty promises and then not delivering making your investment decrease don't have an effect on people's lives? There are probably many more reasons not to like Tesla just like there is with any other car company.
ShinerBock 10/11/19 07:04am Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

You don't actually need to care about the environment to enjoy the smooth, quiet, effortless power an EV provides. Lower fuel cost and fewer trips for scheduled maintenance is a bonus. And you don't even have to buy a Tesla. Plenty of choices on the market. I already have that with my current diesels aside from the quietness. I don't like a completely quit car. There is a reason why I generally don't listen to the radio when I am driving. It is because I like to hear my car/truck while I am driving. It is apart of the whole experience that I enjoy. I also like doing my own maintenance modifications and upgrades on vehicles. Reminds me of when I was a kid helping my pops with his race cars. So to some, these things may be a bonus. To others it may not. There are also negatives to owning an EV so you can't just point out the positives.
ShinerBock 10/10/19 06:36pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Says a guy who drives an 8.1L that emits more PM, NOx, CO, CO2 and gets worse fuel mileage than any modern diesel. And drives a direct injected gas engine that emits more PM, CO, CO2, and used more fuel than the equivalent diesel car. Practice what you preach much? I had two PSD Excursions that were a pain in the but to maintain compared to my 8.1 van that has double the space and payload compared to my PSD Excursions.What SUV could carry 12 passengers and luggage on long trips ? BTW I just road my bike over 12,000 miles since Oct. 20 2017 and that is more miles than my 8.1 van in the last ten years. A used E350 with a PSD if you need to tow more than 5k or a new Transit with a 3.2L diesel if you don't. Either come with a payload of over 2,500 lbs. To me, someone who is telling others that they should protect the environment should do all they can to do the same as well. Like Elon who makes electric cars yet flies over 150k miles a year on a private jet and blast rockets into the sky. One would think that if we were really on the brink of a major climate catastrophe like they claim, then he would stop using private jets and put blasting rockets into the air on hold until we got it under control. I guess they are more into people doing as they say and not as they do. Is that a joke or what ? No.
ShinerBock 10/10/19 06:30pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

I thought the Econolines stopped with diesel with the 6.0 PSD? After that, they only came with gassers? The Express did have the 6.6 DM until 2016 and now is optioned with the 2.8 Yeah, I meant to put 6.0L instead of 6.7L. I guess I am so used to typing 6.7L. I forgot about the GM. Another good choice that is better for the environment than an 8.1L.
ShinerBock 10/10/19 01:11pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Says a guy who drives an 8.1L that emits more PM, NOx, CO, CO2 and gets worse fuel mileage than any modern diesel. And drives a direct injected gas engine that emits more PM, CO, CO2, and used more fuel than the equivalent diesel car. Practice what you preach much? I had two PSD Excursions that were a pain in the but to maintain compared to my 8.1 van that has double the space and payload compared to my PSD Excursions.What SUV could carry 12 passengers and luggage on long trips ? BTW I just road my bike over 12,000 miles since Oct. 20 2017 and that is more miles than my 8.1 van in the last ten years. A used E350 with a PSD if you need to tow more than 5k or a new Transit with a 3.2L diesel if you don't. Either come with a payload of over 2,500 lbs. To me, someone who is telling others that they should protect the environment should do all they can to do the same as well. Like Elon who makes electric cars yet flies over 150k miles a year on a private jet and blast rockets into the sky. One would think that if we were really on the brink of a major climate catastrophe like they claim, then he would stop using private jets and put blasting rockets into the air on hold until we got it under control. I guess they are more into people doing as they say and not as they do.
ShinerBock 10/10/19 12:57pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Says a guy who drives an 8.1L that emits more PM, NOx, CO, CO2 and gets worse fuel mileage than any modern diesel. And drives a direct injected gas engine that emits more PM, CO, CO2, and used more fuel than the equivalent diesel car. Practice what you preach much?
ShinerBock 10/10/19 12:00pm Tow Vehicles
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