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RE: Removable 5th wheel hitch?

We have a 3500 RAM drw shortbed which we currently use with our artic fox 811 camper. We are thinking about getting a 5th wheel and also keeping the camper for some trips. Is there a sliding 5th wheel hitch that can easily be taken off the truck in order to slide in the camper? A sliding hitch , no not a chance unless you have some sort of hoist , or taking it apart . Turnover ball , and the Andersen hitch . Clean bed when removed . Also easily removed by one person .
cummins2014 01/16/21 09:39pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Newer 5ers, Slider Hitch Required For Short Beds?

We have a short bed F250 and we have Pullrite auto slide.......and we have never had a problem. Could maybe got away without the slide but piece of mind..prevailed! The big reason I never had any worries going with the Andersen ,knowing when I did tow with my manual slider I "HAD" the option of being able to slide it back, but" NEVER" did , other then backing into my driveway, which is a tight fit.
cummins2014 01/16/21 09:45am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Newer 5ers, Slider Hitch Required For Short Beds?

Ron...Lots of variables with this issue! One person's experience may be good, and the other not so much. You know about the shape of front, but the length of pin box can vary, and one hitch will work better than another, due to adjustability, even though not a slider. The truck itself makes a difference, due to axle center to back of cab distance. GM will work best, longest distance, then Ford, and of course your Ram, has the shortest distance. Cummins2014, a forum member here, uses an Andersen hitch in a similar truck, with no issue, and likes the hitch. I know there are other Ram owners, using this hitch, also with good results. Jerry Lots of variables as you say. I am a good example . My previous fifth wheel was 2008 Montana , and one of the years when they started with the rounded front cap, although the 2008 were sculptured for a better word on the corners then rounded . I towed that fifth wheel with two different trucks, a 1999 Superduty short bed 350 , and my present truck the 2014 Ram 3500 short bed Megacab . Two different hitches a Reese slider , and the Andersen . I used the Andersen with the adapter to the rear position , putting the fifth wheel further from the cab, slightly rear of axle center, it was too close to the cab when backing into my driveway if I had it in the forward position. With the Reese , I only used the slider when doing the same backing into my driveway. With my present fifth wheel it has the more rounded corners, and I tow with the Andersen adapter in the forward position , putting it closer to the cab, actually its the same distance from the cab ,as the Reese slider in the tow position , both just slightly forward of axle center the more desirable position . Using both hitches , I can back into my driveway without a problem , not having to slide the Reese back, and having the Andersen in the forward position . This is all a good example of two different fifth wheels . This present fifth wheel with the combination of the more rounded front cap, and possibly the pin box position, I am able to tow ,and back with it closer to the cab. The Montana had a Morryde pin box ,this one has the Lippert .
cummins2014 01/16/21 09:32am Fifth-Wheels
RE: 5th wheel hitch suggestion

The installation instructions for the 3300 show the hitch head supports to be installed in two positions. One is 1" in front of the axle, the other is 3" in front of the axle. I don't see any accommodation for 2" behind the axle. The hitch will only serve to reduce your cab clearance. You are correct, won't be behind axle. It will be 1 inch in front of axle center, but not really in front of axle. If the OP did not use his previous slider in 13 years, with his Ram, he will now have several more inches of clearance with his new Ford. Jerry Its been like 4 years ago or around there, I talked to Andersen about the puck system. They told me it was in the works ,and was going to be on the the market that following year. Well that year came ,and went ,but never saw anything. Its apparent they scraped that idea . I have entertained the thought of taking my frame adapter ,and adapting just the locking lugs to my steel rail mount Andersen. It would not be that difficult ,and I have the means to do it, but it wouldn't accomplish much the way I have it setup ,the frame adapter works well . Plus the extra height you mentioned for whatever reason, is not a factor for me. You have to remember at one time most hitches were sitting on bed rails .
cummins2014 01/14/21 06:00pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: BedRug with hitch

I had Line-X spray in done when 1st purchase my truck that was in Jan 2007 Still going strong I'll never go back to a bed mat I agree ,I see no reason for anything but a spray in liner for a truck bed . I have had the Rhino liner in my last two trucks going back to 1998.
cummins2014 01/14/21 10:02am Fifth-Wheels
RE: 5th wheel hitch suggestion

cummins2014 wrote: "I wouldn't say the 3300 is the best choice ,but a good one . His truck ,his fifth wheel weight I wouldn't hesitate to go with the Andersen. I personally wouldn't tow with anything else" The OP wants to use the puck system in his new truck, which IMO, makes the 3300 a better choice than a single point attaching hitch, or needing a raised adapter for a rail attachment. Jerry I think you missed the weight of his fifth wheel, and using the single point Andersen hitch. No I wouldn't go the single point with the heavier fifth wheels , meaning in the 16-18K GVWR. Yes I wouldn't go the frame adapter either now .Had to back in 2014 to stay with my standard Reese hitch . Its an option If he wanted to save some money ,and use his existing hitch , but that doesn't sound like what he wants to do . He wants a new quiet hitch .
cummins2014 01/14/21 09:56am Fifth-Wheels
RE: 5th wheel hitch suggestion

Mine is 6'9"s, by todays description, a standard bed, vrs a long bed.:) When I ordered my truck in early 13, the 3300 for pucks, was not yet available. I did not want the Reese/Ford version that was the only choice, so did not order prep pkg. I have the Patriot with rails, which I am happy with! The 3300 became available shortly after my truck started down the assembly line. Nope, could not add the FW prep pkg. Jerry Things must of changed in 2014 , we had available with the pucks the frame adapters. I know Reese built one for Ford ,and Ram. I have the Reese picture frame adapter in my 2014 Ram truck. .Was bought to use with my existing Reese slider hitch that required standard rails, and still using with the rail mount Andersen. Besides the Cummins motor, the puck, and fifth prep was one of the big selling points to me. My research shortly after purchase led me to the Reese frame adapter. Actually now I believe there is three different brands of the frame adapters to accommodate the older standard fifth wheel hitches. Nice thing now for anyone have the fifth wheel prep, the availability of hitches with the puck system , although I am happy with the rail mountAndersen . The frame adapter never comes out of my truck, no need . Its not a factor when I remove the Andersen if I need the bed clear to haul my pontoon boat for fishing. Just too many reasons to never want to go back to a standard hitch , but no one knows until they have the Andersen :B
cummins2014 01/14/21 09:46am Fifth-Wheels
RE: 5th wheel hitch suggestion

You are on track with your thinking. You didn't use the slider with the Ram, and now the Ford will work even better. It isn't the bed length though, as much as it is the distance from axle center, to the back of cab. The Ford is giving you several more inches of clearance in this case. No, you don't need a slider! The 3300 is by far the best choice for your new Ford! You just upgraded to the best truck, may as well put best hitch in it!! You will love them both! Congrats on the new purchases, Jerry Have towed with both trucks , and have had no clearance problems with either, with four different fifth wheels between the two trucks . Two of those fifth wheels pretty much had the old conventional front caps , the last two the rounded corners. I wouldn't say the 3300 is the best choice ,but a good one . His truck ,his fifth wheel weight I wouldn't hesitate to go with the Andersen. I personally wouldn't tow with anything else , having towed with both the standard fifth wheel hitch ,and the Andersen . If the OP is looking for quiet ,then there is absolutely nothing quieter then the Andersen . But as said this subject has been beat to death , truck ,and hitch. I am always a little disappointed when we beat up a certain hitch, yet have never had one . We have seen failures from every hitch made, including the B&W. We have seen issues with hitching ,and unhitching, and worn out parts on every standard hitch .We have seen every standard fifth wheel hitch used wrong ,resulting in dropping a fifth wheel on the bed of a truck. What you won't read is someone dropping a fifth wheel on the bed of a truck with the Andersen , or an issue with hitching ,or an issue with replacing parts , zerks to grease etc etc .
cummins2014 01/14/21 09:23am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Collecting 5th wheel Tow Data, just for fun, 2000 mile trip

I had a 2002 F250 with the 7.3 TD until 2016 when I finally got a Ram Cummins. I put over 250,000 miles on that Ford and only had to replace the transmission and differential gear. The engine was bullet proof with no repairs at all except religious routine maintenance even with a tuner applied "towing tune" on it. :) Barney I did several upgrade to my old 99 7.3. DP tuner, 4" exhaust turbo back. AIS air intake, along with the 6.0 intercooler ,6.0 transmission cooler, big reason I probably never really had any big problems with my 4R100 transmission ,kept it a lot cooler towing a big fifth wheel . Plus gauges to monitor ETG's transmission, and turbo boost. I knew several that had to replace their transmission ,got them hot too many times . It just didn't have the power to handle a big fifth wheel in the mountains.
cummins2014 01/10/21 10:27am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Collecting 5th wheel Tow Data, just for fun, 2000 mile trip

Bought ,and drove a new early 99 Superduty 7.3 from July 1998 to March 2014, nearly 16 years. I knew the years of all the 7.3 's , 6.0 .and the 6.4 ,seen them come ,and go. Lost interest when they came out with the 6.7 in 2011. Over the years I have forgotten one year to the next on these trucks now, but mainly not interested anymore . Especially trying to drive down a freeway while taking a truck survey :B Wow.. 16 years! How many miles did you rack up on the 7.3? Any major repairs? I loved my 7.3, had a it for a few years back in the late 90's. Never any major problems, other than it loved to eat glow plugs. No major repairs, one set of glow plugs, and I tore the front end apart replaced the ball joints ,tie rod ends etc. Did my own maintenance on it, it did have an intermittent shifting problem , had a new valve body for it ,but decided to sell it before I got it replaced . I would probably still have it ,it had low miles. Just not enough power for 38' fifth wheel, bought a new in 2014 3500 Ram Cummins 6.7 solved the power problem. :) To be honest I preferred that old 99 .
cummins2014 01/10/21 10:18am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Collecting 5th wheel Tow Data, just for fun, 2000 mile trip

I am always more curious about the brand of fifth wheels more then anything. Seeing if its the same brand I have. When I had my Montana fifth wheels , it was not hard to tell if you saw a Montana coming, pretty easy to see. I still pay attention to the Montana fifth wheels as they have changed over the years , but I couldn't tell you what year they are :B
cummins2014 01/09/21 11:12am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Wheel bearing

I had a conversation with MORryde about this very thing when the naval engineer across from us said that we had "oil caps" on our Kodiac rotors. MORryde was using these caps because the previous caps had a tendency to fall out. They went on to say that the seals and small internal volume of the hubs are not suitable for oil bath configuration. (When I posted this info on the brand-specific forums I'm on, this was confirmed by two automotive engineers. The consensus is that a good, high-temp grease is the best for our RVs. Rob Thats good to know, I have the disc brakes, was wondering about a change. I will stick with the grease I use . I have heard guys bragging up the oil bath setup, guess its not what its cracked up to be.
cummins2014 01/09/21 11:07am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Collecting 5th wheel Tow Data, just for fun, 2000 mile trip

Nice job vcv! And... I do understand what "just for fun" means... Is the fun just before he runs off the road ,or after :B
cummins2014 01/09/21 08:44am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Collecting 5th wheel Tow Data, just for fun, 2000 mile trip

Okay folks, here are the results. The raw data is within the image file, and I have consolidated the data below: Ford: Total of 40 (6.7's dominated the Ford category, no surprise. It was good to see some 6.0's out there, bullet proofed I'm sure. I did not identify a single 7.3, but I know they are still out there!) Ram/Dodge: Total of 34 (Obviously 6.7's dominated. Most of the 5.9's I identified looked to be well kept and towing older 5rs) Chev Duramax: Total of 25 (Most all of the Dmax were late model rigs, mostly single axle. I identified 4 LBZs. I have an affinity for the LBZ's, even though I have never owned one) Topkick/Freightliner: Total of 3 (2 Freightliners and 1 Topkick) 1/2 Ton's towing 5th Wheel: Total of 4 (I changed my data collection on this one to reflect any 1/2 ton towing a 5th wheel, rather than what I feel is "overloaded". There are a few folks on here who seem to be hypersensitive to the issue, so I'll keep that data and opinion to myself. Of the 1/2 tons I saw, two were Ford and two were GM, all late model. One was at a love travel stop fueling up, one was in a campground, and the other 2 were on the road) https://i.ibb.co/5cJhCdR/Tow-Data-2020-Completed.png Are these trucks in passing ,going the other way , how do you tell the difference from an early 6.0 to 7.3. I have learned that the only way to tell some of the earlier 7.3 Suoerduties to the later 7.3 is the badge on the front fender, the early ones were in the front of the fender the later were lower rear part of the fender, as were the 6.0 Also got to be be quick in passing to be able to tell the early 99 Superduty 7.3 from the V10, nearly the same badge on the front of the front fender. Just curious Easy, the 7.3L badge is slightly shorter and has a black background and the 6.0L has a silver background. They are actually quite different when looking at them. Also, the mirror backs are different, and most FX4 trucks are 6.0L trucks. There are ways to tell if you know these trucks (I had a 2003 F-350). :B Bought ,and drove a new early 99 Superduty 7.3 from July 1998 to March 2014, nearly 16 years. I knew the years of all the 7.3 's , 6.0 .and the 6.4 ,seen them come ,and go. Lost interest when they came out with the 6.7 in 2011. Over the years I have forgotten one year to the next on these trucks now, but mainly not interested anymore . Especially trying to drive down a freeway while taking a truck survey :B
cummins2014 01/09/21 08:43am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Collecting 5th wheel Tow Data, just for fun, 2000 mile trip

Easy, the 7.3L badge is slightly shorter and has a black background and the 6.0L has a silver background. They are actually quite different when looking at them. Also, the mirror backs are different, and most FX4 trucks are 6.0L trucks. There are ways to tell if you know these trucks (I had a 2003 F-350). :BAnd you can see these minor differences at 100-150 feet apart, and closing speeds of 120-140 mph in a quick glance? As the Brits would say: Pull the other one. :) My point exactly ,but hey its just for fun .
cummins2014 01/09/21 08:29am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Collecting 5th wheel Tow Data, just for fun, 2000 mile trip

I didn't say I couldn't tell one truck from the other ,my point is I can, so thats why I said what I did. Please carry on with whatever you think is being accomplished . :)
cummins2014 01/08/21 01:13pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Collecting 5th wheel Tow Data, just for fun, 2000 mile trip

Jeeze..... I'm lucky to pick up the color of a truck going the opposite direction let alone what the badges indicate???.... I am usually tuned into my ZONE... I'd be getting yelled at by you know who if I was trying to see what truck just went by :)
cummins2014 01/08/21 11:56am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Collecting 5th wheel Tow Data, just for fun, 2000 mile trip

Are these trucks in passing ,going the other way , how do you tell the difference from an early 6.0 to 7.3. I have learned that the only way to tell some of the earlier 7.3 Suoerduties to the later 7.3 is the badge on the front fender, the early ones were in the front of the fender the later were lower rear part of the fender, as were the 6.0 Also got to be be quick in passing to be able to tell the early 99 Superduty 7.3 from the V10, nearly the same badge on the front of the front fender. Just curiousThese were exactly my thoughts when I first commented on paying attention to other vehicles instead of what was going on in the immediate area. How does one garner all this information with just a "quick glance"? Simply differentiating between a 3/4 ton and a 1 ton isn't easily apparent unless it's a dually. And some 1/2 tons and 3/4 tons are very similar, which makes telling them apart take more than just a glance. I am afraid this is going to be far from even close to accurate data. The op probably should just post truck brands towing fifth wheels, forget the motor, can't know for sure unless sitting beside them. . But then we know what that will be , it will be the Ford being the most popular :B
cummins2014 01/08/21 11:51am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Roof replacement

I need a new roof, either a new rubber roof or Flex-Armor or RV-Armor. Your opinions especially those who have the spray on which is what I am leaning towards. Depending on price, and how long you plan on keeping the RV. I believe the Flex or Rv armor is a lifetime guarantee . Whereas the rubber roof is not . If it were me ,I think I'd go the spray .
cummins2014 01/08/21 11:03am General RVing Issues
RE: Collecting 5th wheel Tow Data, just for fun, 2000 mile trip

Are these trucks in passing ,going the other way , how do you tell the difference from an early 6.0 to 7.3. I have learned that the only way to tell some of the earlier 7.3 Suoerduties to the later 7.3 is the badge on the front fender, the early ones were in the front of the fender the later were lower rear part of the fender, as were the 6.0 Also got to be be quick in passing to be able to tell the early 99 Superduty 7.3 from the V10, nearly the same badge on the front of the front fender. Just curious
cummins2014 01/08/21 10:54am Fifth-Wheels
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