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RE: “Pathetic quality”: RV dealers are fed up...

Imagine what kind of employees you get for $7.25/hour. Yes, that's Indiana's minimum wage.I did a bit of Google research and couldn't find any indication that RV plant employees are paid at minimum wage. The job listings for Thor, for example show pay in the $15.00 range for general labor. Forest River is shown to have many positions paying in the $20.00 Hr. range (source Glassdoor.com) These are new employee, entry level wages, I would expect those wages would increase with seniority and experience. It isn't exactly Silicon Valley executive level pay, but it is way more than any quoted minimum wage for the state. Over the years the minimum wage conversation has somehow morphed from not exploiting high school kids and totally unskilled labor entering the work force for the first time to how it should be a living wage for a family. If you are not in one of those two categories and still making that minimum wage, your career path is in need of some serious re-evaluation.
wapiticountry 09/13/21 09:04am General RVing Issues
RE: RV Travel Insurance ??

Travel insurance will generally only pay if you cannot travel, not if you just choose not to make the trip. What is the actual risks that would mean you couldn't make the trip? A Personal health problem is the most likely. Other than that you are getting into scenarios that are very unlikely to occur, such as complete bans on travel. Then you have to consider what you are actually insuring against. It apparently mostly cancellation fees that amount to what, a few hundred dollars at most? Not like potentially losing airline ticket fares, hotel and cruise cancellation fees and the like that run into multiple thousands of dollars when normally purchasing travel insurance. I doubt that the price of any such insurance for RV travel would be worth it, even if you could find it in the first place.
wapiticountry 08/27/21 11:42am General RVing Issues
RE: Vax Passports

An incredibly slippery slope for something of dubious value. If what we are being told about vaccinations is correct, the primary threat is to the unvaccinated. In the US, vaccines are widely available and cost free. The only people over the age of 12 who are unvaccinated are that way by choice. So they have put themselves in harms way. Furthermore, recent studies have tended to show that vaccinated people can carry and spread a viral load equal to the unvaccinated. That means that the threat a vaccinated person creates in spreading the virus is equal to that of the unvaccinated. Therefore, being vaccinated only benefits that individual, not others around them.
wapiticountry 08/24/21 08:42am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Tips on asking friends for mootchdocking?

Asking anyone to stay on their property puts them in a bind. Nobody wants to be the bad guy so they my say “yes” even though they want to say “no”. If they don’t volunteer you need to stay elsewhere.
wapiticountry 08/23/21 09:55am Beginning RVing
RE: 50 to 30 amp dog bone

If your concern in voltage drop in the campground, switching to the 50 Amp connection will not change anything. Both the 30 and 50 amp connections run off the same service wires. There isn't a set of wires feeding the 30 amp connections and a separate set feeding the 50. What you might gain is a more solid breaker (the 50 isn't flipped off and on as much as the 30) and, as others have said, the fifty plug itself is generally not as worn as the 30. But then again, the 30 amp breakers and 30 amp plugs get changed more frequently during repairs and maintenance exactly for the reason they get more wear and tear, so you might find a 30 in new condition and the corresponding 50 worn.
wapiticountry 08/19/21 07:25am Tech Issues
RE: Help! A/C only works when below 100°

Ditto of Lou. Make sure the the condenser coil is clean. .(My hands are xxl or xxxl depending on the brand of glove)So what the women say is true: Big Hands....Big Dickies (the brand, not what the mind in the gutter people are thinking) .
wapiticountry 08/18/21 07:52am Tech Issues
RE: We had to go to Kalispell....

The first rule in business: Charge too much and you won't make money, charge too little and you won't make money. The best rate to charge is the one that maximizes profit. Unless this campground is full when all others in the area are full he needs to adjust accordingly or learn the hard way.Apparently that park has a business plan that works for them. They were able to accommodate a last minute traveler when all the other parks were full. According to the original poster, the rate was much higher than the other parks, but he still paid because it was the only park with a vacancy that served his needs. The business plan of the park may very well be becoming the provider of last resort. The original poster said the park had no visual appeal, didn't have a lot of amenities and yet it was half full of guests who were paying double what other parks were charging. That means that park has much higher margins and lower costs than their nearby competitors. It may very well be the most profitable of all, and that is what the ownership ultimately interested in.
wapiticountry 08/18/21 07:47am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: We had to go to Kalispell....

A very successful friend in retail always says you can tell the price is right if the buyer is cursing the price while reaching for their wallet. It appears the park's rate was spot on.
wapiticountry 08/16/21 07:36am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Just experienced our first Non-refundable campground

I think the OP did what so many do. He made the reservation knowing about the no refund policy but figuring it won't affect him. Then he needed to cancel and it did affect him. So now he has decided that no refund policies are unfair and we should somehow make these places change their policies so that he won't be faced with this again. It's a common occurrence. You read the rules, you decide they won't be a problem, then you find out they are a problem for you and they should be forced to change their rules. The RVer who wants to run the generator all night because it got hot, but generators are not allowed after 8 pm. The camper who gets one campsite reserved and then finds out he's got 10 buddies coming and the site only allows 6. The person who reserves a site with a "must be present for the first night or lose the reservation" and then finds out he has to work that first day. The rules aren't bad until you have reason to want to ignore them. Then suddenly they are evil and must be changed. Wow, just because I solicited information on how common it might be that campgrounds have a no-refund policy, I now am guilty of running my generator outside of hours, walking through peoples’ campsites, having way over the limit of people in my campsite, and kicking puppies. Starting to remember why I stopped posting much here.I don’t believe there is any accurate statistical analysis to answer your original question. All you possibly expect is anecdotal experiences from fellow RVers. It is my belief that most parks have some sort of cancellation policy. It will most likely be tailored to their specific situation. In the end, this is a discussion forum, not a depository of facts. You know darn good and well your reason for posting was not to actually be quoted some percentage, but to voice your displeasure at having gotten yourself in a situation where you have forfeited a deposit., even though you knew the policy when you made your reservation. Righteous indignation at others for not posting as you wish they would isn’t going to get your money back or even garner you sympathy for a situation of your own making.
wapiticountry 08/14/21 05:29pm RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Just experienced our first Non-refundable campground

Next time you encounter a no refund policy reservation...... ask if you could an extra 10% in advance to have the possibility of a refund.To an owner that would scream we want to stay at a different park but can’t get a reservation. Therefore we are booking with you as a backup, But we will be checking with the other park daily to see if they have a cancellation and then we will exercise that cancellation clause, you will refund our 10% larger deposit and you will be collecting 10% more of ZERO. (Less the credit card fees for both the deposit and the refund)
wapiticountry 08/14/21 10:24am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Just experienced our first Non-refundable campground

We are so glad to have sold our park.It’s been nearly three years since we began the get out of jail process. My smile gets bigger as the parks grow smaller in the rear view mirror. It is even possible that someday I will stop hating the general public. On second though: Naaaah
wapiticountry 08/13/21 08:22pm RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Just experienced our first Non-refundable campground

We all make our plans and commit to reservations based on our personnel iteneraries however when outside forces such as covid closures or a wild fire, which was not anticipated/expected by anyone at the time the reservations were made impact our plans consideration shoud be made. If the bridge leading to the CG collapses should I be charged a cancellation fee? What if the collapsed bridge causes me to take a 500 mile detour? Must I drive aound to avoid cancellation? If the government shuts down my event due to covid should I have to eat my resrvation. At some point the CG needs to be reasonable in their expectations of the customer.If the Campground is in Wyoming and the bridge that collapsed causing your detour is in Ohio then yes, you should eat your reservation. Having owned parks for many years, we have heard every excuse imaginable as to why we should waive cancellation fees. When someone's parents have died for the third time you get suspicious. When they tell you they are hospitalized and cannot travel the 1000 miles to the park and then when you call them to ask where you need forward a package that arrived they tell you they will stop by to pick it up in a couple of hours you realize people LIE. We therefore took the position that we are not the judge and jury of excuses. No Exceptions.
wapiticountry 08/13/21 08:24am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Has anyone noticed

Why is it assumed that everyone in a big rig is living above their means? In my personal experiences, both owning big rigs and owning an RV park I have found the opposite to be the case. Not everyone is teetering on bankruptcy.
wapiticountry 08/02/21 07:38am RV Lifestyle
RE: Campground Rates

For years we owned a park adjacent to a major, major national park. We were sold out every night virtually all season long. Yet, every evening we did not have a line of RVs hoping for a no show. For popular places, people know you do not travel to them without a reservation. It is actually hard to fill last minute cancellations even at a park that turns hundreds away hundreds of reservation requests.
wapiticountry 07/31/21 11:48am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: can this possibly be true? 150 amp hours $46.51 cdn

It's a website offering a price that is 90% less than any other that lists no physical address for the company and the only contact info is a Gmail account with a gobbledygoop name. Good way to lose not only your $46.51 cdn but have your card compromised as well. I didn't see a link offering Saskatchewan oceanfront estates for $500 a month, but if you ask they will probably take your deposit.
wapiticountry 07/24/21 12:43pm Tech Issues
RE: Pay or No Pay?

See if working for Walmart gets you a free place to park with full hookups. I bet at that Walmart job you won’t have the ability to roll out of bed and be to work in 60 seconds. Seldom are the Walmart’s of the world located near national parks and other tourist destinations. I bet the work schedules aren’t as flexible and the jobs not as easy as most Workcamper positions. But if you attach no value to those points Workcamping is a bad deal. Are you implying workcampers are lazy and unable to get up on time? Seems odd criteria. Walmart is something completely different. I would be looking to work at a shop near the tourist area...which is likely has campgrounds nearby.When you workamp you are on site. No commute needed. You are there to walk your dog, to make a better lunch than a sandwich, to be at your home should you need something or if something goes wrong. To many people that is a valuable benefit of workamping. A workamper position is basically unskilled labor. If you have special skills and training that commands high pay good for you. Doctors, lawyers, hedge fund managers and Fortune 500 CEOs make huge wages, but that doesn’t matter to a park hiring workers. That $500 an hour lawyer will only get $10 an hour as a workamper if that is what the going rate for workampers is. If you don't have a dog, that's not relevant, though most properly trained dogs can handle 4-6hr by themselves without problem. Assuming it's a part time job, you can probably get scheduled to be home for lunch if that's important to you. No, you aren't going to make $500/hr...of course, bringing that up suggests you don't understand what professionals make in the first place. $500/hr is what the client pays. The lawyer doesn't get anything close to that. Same as when your RV mechanic charges $100/hr but the mechanic makes $25/hr. Of course, in tourist areas right now, if you have a decent work history and present yourself well, $15-20 should be possible...particularly if you come back to the same place multiple years.Really? The lawyer doesn't just pocket the entire fee? And the mechanic doesn't get the hundreds of dollars I pay the dealership to replace the AC unit? I suppose you are also going to tell me that when I pay for my dinner at the restaurant the waiter or waitress doesn't get to keep all that money and the clerk at grocery store can't just put the hundred bucks I paid for lobsters into his/her pocket? Who would have thunk it? It is truly a deceptive world. At least we can be sure Horse Racing and Pro Wrestling isn't rigged.
wapiticountry 07/21/21 05:19pm Workamping Forum
RE: Pay or No Pay?

See if working for Walmart gets you a free place to park with full hookups. I bet at that Walmart job you won’t have the ability to roll out of bed and be to work in 60 seconds. Seldom are the Walmart’s of the world located near national parks and other tourist destinations. I bet the work schedules aren’t as flexible and the jobs not as easy as most Workcamper positions. But if you attach no value to those points Workcamping is a bad deal. Are you implying workcampers are lazy and unable to get up on time? Seems odd criteria. Walmart is something completely different. I would be looking to work at a shop near the tourist area...which is likely has campgrounds nearby.When you workamp you are on site. No commute needed. You are there to walk your dog, to make a better lunch than a sandwich, to be at your home should you need something or if something goes wrong. To many people that is a valuable benefit of workamping. A workamper position is basically unskilled labor. If you have special skills and training that commands high pay good for you. Doctors, lawyers, hedge fund managers and Fortune 500 CEOs make huge wages, but that doesn’t matter to a park hiring workers. That $500 an hour lawyer will only get $10 an hour as a workamper if that is what the going rate for workampers is.
wapiticountry 07/20/21 04:11pm Workamping Forum
RE: Heated hose

Heat tape is meant for use on metal pipes. Those pipes conduct heat and prevent freezing. Plastic pipe and hose materials do not conduct heat and may actually be damaged by heat tape.
wapiticountry 07/20/21 10:57am Beginning RVing
RE: Pay or No Pay?

See if working for Walmart gets you a free place to park with full hookups. I bet at that Walmart job you won’t have the ability to roll out of bed and be to work in 60 seconds. Seldom are the Walmart’s of the world located near national parks and other tourist destinations. I bet the work schedules aren’t as flexible and the jobs not as easy as most Workcamper positions. But if you attach no value to those points Workcamping is a bad deal.
wapiticountry 07/20/21 10:50am Workamping Forum
RE: Good Sam Finance, Bank of the West DBA Essex Credit Corp

Good reasons to arrange your financing either thru the dealership or your local bank or credit union. The sellers in your instance have no actual idea if they will actually get paid with a loan pending approval. From Essex (Bank of the West) point of view, they need to do their due diligence that they are actually financing an RV with adequate collateral value. That does take time, especially when you are dealing with an individual buyer and seller. A private seller could be selling a rig with a rebuilt title or the buyer could be buying a wrecked rig looking to get a big cash rebate from the seller. Dealerships have relationships with their lenders, so the lenders accept the fact that the collateral is as described and the deal is on the up and up. Your local bank or credit union has a level of trust with you, again eliminating some of the risk associated with dealing with two completely unknown parties. What the OP is trying to do is just going to be slower than other methods of funding a purchase. It isn't incompetence, it is just the way things work in the real world.
wapiticountry 07/17/21 11:46am Good Sam Club
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