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Hitch Itch

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I see no reason to ever own a full size gas truck. People say "cost," but that cost is regained when I sell it. People say maintenance, and several poorly designed diesel of the last fifteen years have given people a bad taste. My last three Cummins have had right about a million miles total on them. How much "extra" did I spend on them? I did one head gasket myself for less than $500 in my driveway and about 10 hrs of work. I've done three water pumps. One alternator. A few serpantine belts. A clutch and one tranny. Nothing more than that was necessary.
How is that more maintenance than a gasoline v8? I've spent more money fixing my wife's gasoline daily drivers than I have my work trucks! And two of the three I sold for 70 percent of what I paid for them. They made me literally tens of thousands of dollars hauling my mini excavator and skid steer around. Not to mention they passed hundreds and hundreds of swaying f150s and underpowered gasoline trucks trying to tow up hills.
I took two of the three trucks to the drag strip for test and tune nights. Had a blast in them, worked in them, enjoyed them, and the whole time if I had a gasoline full size truck I would have been disappointed.
If I was in the wrong financial situation and I only had 5-10k to I vest in a tow rig, I'd still be much happier with an older diesel that I could work on than a "nicer" newer gasoline truck.

Bottom line is trucks are for working. And for each gallon of diesel, more work is done than gas.


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I trade in every 2-3 years, all I have ever done is oil change and rotate, GM gives 2 years free oil change and rotate so I usually only pay for 2 services before I trade again. So for me, Its not worth the extra until I have the extra

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Nice looking truck Hitch.

Redwoodcamper, My overheating issue with the fan clutch might have caused a HG to leak, so I might be doing the same thing. I guess what takes the longest is adjusting the valves, and torquing everything.

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Redwoodcamper wrote:

I see no reason to ever own a full size gas truck. People say "cost," but that cost is regained when I sell it. People say maintenance, and several poorly designed diesel of the last fifteen years have given people a bad taste. My last three Cummins have had right about a million miles total on them. How much "extra" did I spend on them? I did one head gasket myself for less than $500 in my driveway and about 10 hrs of work. I've done three water pumps. One alternator. A few serpantine belts. A clutch and one tranny. Nothing more than that was necessary.
How is that more maintenance than a gasoline v8? I've spent more money fixing my wife's gasoline daily drivers than I have my work trucks! And two of the three I sold for 70 percent of what I paid for them. They made me literally tens of thousands of dollars hauling my mini excavator and skid steer around. Not to mention they passed hundreds and hundreds of swaying f150s and underpowered gasoline trucks trying to tow up hills.
I took two of the three trucks to the drag strip for test and tune nights. Had a blast in them, worked in them, enjoyed them, and the whole time if I had a gasoline full size truck I would have been disappointed.
If I was in the wrong financial situation and I only had 5-10k to I vest in a tow rig, I'd still be much happier with an older diesel that I could work on than a "nicer" newer gasoline truck.

Bottom line is trucks are for working. And for each gallon of diesel, more work is done than gas.


Some people who short trip will do much better was a gas powered truck. The last thing they want is a forced drive down the road to regen their soot clogged dpf.

In addition gas powered trucks are so much simpler will less complicated emissions equipment than todays EGR/DPF diesels.

For our farm/ranch trucks we go out of our way to purchase diesel trucks that are not equipped with dpf's and for the MIL we purchased a gas F350 since she just puts around and doesn't really work the truck.


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Emissions...whats that . . lol, I do not envy those with post 07 diesels...am sitting round 314k on an 06 Duramax - straight piped turbo back - EGR gone the day I did my HG's...added PPE exh manifolds, new up pipes and a larger down pipe. Yea..ya gotta maintain em, but no substitute for torque and significantly better mpg's.

Diesel rules...it always will...for power, towing and longetivity.

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blt2ski wrote:

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"!


And that was the first sentence in this 4,000 response thread. Without getting picky about the correct phrasing, I would just like to say that it is much cheaper to go to hell in a handbasket if the handbasket is gas-powered instead of diesel-powered, but your handbasket may be able to tow heavy loads better if it is diesel.

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FishOnOne wrote:

Redwoodcamper wrote:

I see no reason to ever own a full size gas truck. People say "cost," but that cost is regained when I sell it. People say maintenance, and several poorly designed diesel of the last fifteen years have given people a bad taste. My last three Cummins have had right about a million miles total on them. How much "extra" did I spend on them? I did one head gasket myself for less than $500 in my driveway and about 10 hrs of work. I've done three water pumps. One alternator. A few serpantine belts. A clutch and one tranny. Nothing more than that was necessary.
How is that more maintenance than a gasoline v8? I've spent more money fixing my wife's gasoline daily drivers than I have my work trucks! And two of the three I sold for 70 percent of what I paid for them. They made me literally tens of thousands of dollars hauling my mini excavator and skid steer around. Not to mention they passed hundreds and hundreds of swaying f150s and underpowered gasoline trucks trying to tow up hills.
I took two of the three trucks to the drag strip for test and tune nights. Had a blast in them, worked in them, enjoyed them, and the whole time if I had a gasoline full size truck I would have been disappointed.
If I was in the wrong financial situation and I only had 5-10k to I vest in a tow rig, I'd still be much happier with an older diesel that I could work on than a "nicer" newer gasoline truck.

Bottom line is trucks are for working. And for each gallon of diesel, more work is done than gas.


Some people who short trip will do much better was a gas powered truck. The last thing they want is a forced drive down the road to regen their soot clogged dpf.

In addition gas powered trucks are so much simpler will less complicated emissions equipment than todays EGR/DPF diesels.

For our farm/ranch trucks we go out of our way to purchase diesel trucks that are not equipped with dpf's and for the MIL we purchased a gas F350 since she just puts around and doesn't really work the truck.


That makes no sense..... I've had a 2013 and now a 2016. My trucks do a lot of slow putting around. My 2013 went thru 1 forced drive down the road regen. It took all of 4 miles.


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...In addition gas powered trucks are so much simpler will less complicated emissions equipment than todays EGR/DPF diesels....


Which is why maybe looking at pre DPF vehicles from say 2007 back might be worth it...? All depending on emissions stds in your state / province of course.

Myself, cannot see spending upwards of 99k CAD on a new truck and being forced to put up with the, IMO, stupidity of lower mpgs due to enforced emissions stds. Seems to me that the more emissions cntrl stuff that is added, the lower the mpgs and subsequently ya burn more fuel...Ie: stupidity.

Tuning is where the emphasis aught To be....on both Gas and Diesel vehicles.
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Haven't read entire thread, I'm sure both have pro's and cons. I just love the way my diesel sounds.

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