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"However, Toyota sold around 30 times more cars last year and its revenues were more than 10 times higher."


For the June quarter, Tesla reported del........ta down 35%, and Fiat Chrysler down 39%.

For the June quarter, Tesla reported deliveries of 90,700, down 5% year-over-year (vs. 95,200 in Jun-19), compared to GM down 34%, Toyota down 35%, and Fiat Chrysler down 39%.


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time2roll wrote:

wilber1 wrote:



"However, Toyota sold around 30 times more cars last year and its revenues were more than 10 times higher."


For the June quarter, Tesla reported del........ta down 35%, and Fiat Chrysler down 39%.

For the June quarter, Tesla reported deliveries of 90,700, down 5% year-over-year (vs. 95,200 in Jun-19), compared to GM down 34%, Toyota down 35%, and Fiat Chrysler down 39%.


Yep, Tesla is still about to go broke!

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Groover wrote:

time2roll wrote:

wilber1 wrote:



"However, Toyota sold around 30 times more cars last year and its revenues were more than 10 times higher."


For the June quarter, Tesla reported del........ta down 35%, and Fiat Chrysler down 39%.

For the June quarter, Tesla reported deliveries of 90,700, down 5% year-over-year (vs. 95,200 in Jun-19), compared to GM down 34%, Toyota down 35%, and Fiat Chrysler down 39%.


Yep, Tesla is still about to go broke!
If it costs more to produce your product than what you net on the sale...


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Groover wrote:

time2roll wrote:

wilber1 wrote:



"However, Toyota sold around 30 times more cars last year and its revenues were more than 10 times higher."


For the June quarter, Tesla reported del........ta down 35%, and Fiat Chrysler down 39%.

For the June quarter, Tesla reported deliveries of 90,700, down 5% year-over-year (vs. 95,200 in Jun-19), compared to GM down 34%, Toyota down 35%, and Fiat Chrysler down 39%.


Yep, Tesla is still about to go broke!


I think that prognosis has been passe' several quarters ago.

Although at their level of building new facilities, new product introductions and innovations, it will be a struggle just to get even each of the quarters profit and cash flows wise.

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fj12ryder wrote:

Groover wrote:

time2roll wrote:

wilber1 wrote:



"However, Toyota sold around 30 times more cars last year and its revenues were more than 10 times higher."


For the June quarter, Tesla reported del........ta down 35%, and Fiat Chrysler down 39%.

For the June quarter, Tesla reported deliveries of 90,700, down 5% year-over-year (vs. 95,200 in Jun-19), compared to GM down 34%, Toyota down 35%, and Fiat Chrysler down 39%.


Yep, Tesla is still about to go broke!
If it costs more to produce your product than what you net on the sale...
I assume you are talking about GM, Toyota and FC as Tesla has the highest margins in the industry.

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time2roll wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:

Groover wrote:

time2roll wrote:

wilber1 wrote:



"However, Toyota sold around 30 times more cars last year and its revenues were more than 10 times higher."


For the June quarter, Tesla reported del........ta down 35%, and Fiat Chrysler down 39%.

For the June quarter, Tesla reported deliveries of 90,700, down 5% year-over-year (vs. 95,200 in Jun-19), compared to GM down 34%, Toyota down 35%, and Fiat Chrysler down 39%.


Yep, Tesla is still about to go broke!
If it costs more to produce your product than what you net on the sale...
I assume you are talking about GM, Toyota and FC as Tesla has the highest margins in the industry.


I think he’s specufically refferring to the Chevy Bolt. They are selling them with discounts of 12000 to 15000 each. This is apparently below the dealer cost of the car. What isn’t clear is if GM is chipping in to absorb the pain. It has apparently been quite contentious with some dealers as there are a considerable amount of 2019 models still on the dealers lots. Information is limited as I guess each dealer principal is dealing with it on an individual basis. It will apparently make it difficult for dealers to take more of them if they know they will lose money on each one. The Bolt is a great little car but not at the same price as a Tesla model 3 SR which is around 37000 ish. Maybe 25000 would be more appropriate MSRP.

JMHO.

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However, Toyota sold around 30 times more cars last year and its revenues were more than 10 times higher."/quote

So how many of those were EVs?

https://electrek.co/2019/12/06/tesla-worlds-largest-ev-automaker-byd/

https://electrek.co/2020/07/03/tesla-cybertruck-reservations-china/

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Best selling car in CA for the first quarter 2020... Tesla M3

https://insideevs.com/news/426084/california-tesla-model-3-best-selling-q12020/

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time2roll wrote:

If growth continues who will be bigger in 10 years?

And that is right question.

Some of us that have lived and breathed auto industry wonder how Tesla has survived this long, but on the other hand, true believers keep pouring money into the enterprise.

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Groover wrote:

I wasn't talking about just building cars. Both GM and Ford got into selling home appliances and radios. GM sold some motorhomes, Ford sold tractors, some campers and a lot of charcoal.

Every time an automotive producer ventures out into other avenues, it distracts the core business model and suffers the consequences. Tesla via Musk built this into his model.

Chrysler ventured into NASA space program. They also mfg airplanes for awhile.

Ford attempted junkyards and "independent" repair shops. Then there was the "premium" auto segment. Mortgages was another of their disasters.

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