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Michigan ranks 47th out of the 48 Continental States sunshine. So why are there solar panels going up here? It would seem to me that it is much more practical/cost effective, to put them where there is much more sunshine.

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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:

"Feel Good" will not do a damned bit of good to lower the percentage. The entire world needs to do it. Kumbayah? 99.9% of the solar panels China makes is to power homes not motor vehicles.
China actually is leading with more plug-in vehicles than the US and growing faster.


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time2roll wrote:

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:

"Feel Good" will not do a damned bit of good to lower the percentage. The entire world needs to do it. Kumbayah? 99.9% of the solar panels China makes is to power homes not motor vehicles.
China actually is leading with more plug-in vehicles than the US and growing faster.
China is also the leading consumer of coal. China accounts for nearly half of the coal consumption worldwide. They use more than 4 times more than the next closest nation, the US. Maybe increasing electrical demand in China is not an ecological panacea.

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time2roll wrote:

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:

"Feel Good" will not do a damned bit of good to lower the percentage. The entire world needs to do it. Kumbayah? 99.9% of the solar panels China makes is to power homes not motor vehicles.
China actually is leading with more plug-in vehicles than the US and growing faster.


i think you will find those 'plugin' vehicles are mostly electric scooters, and scooter based delivery vehicles

NOT 4 passenger automobiles


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I'm definitely not against all of us getting around in some new kinds of ways that do way less harm to the Earth ... including RV'ing, flying, hunting, boating, taking kids to soccer practice, train trips, etc..

I'm not sure electric power is the answer though - not until the electric power can be created with no damage to the atmosphere and can be stored in batteries that are very clean to produce and dispose of.

Reading this if all/any of us expect to need transportation 12 years from now on-up, we better start doing something different (including good A/C systems in our RVs): https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/07/world/cli........te-change-new-ipcc-report-wxc/index.html


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TDIStan wrote:

I mean a standard NMEA 14-50R outlet that has been wired with BOTH hot terminals on the same 120v leg.


This is standard for RV's and RV service. This gives you two 120 volt legs in your RV. One usually runs the AC or multiple AC's, the other usually runs all other 120 circuits.


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TDIStan wrote:

I mean a standard NMEA 14-50R outlet that has been wired with BOTH hot terminals on the same 120v leg.


This is standard for RV's and RV service. This gives you two 120 volt legs in your RV. One usually runs the AC or multiple AC's, the other usually runs all other 120 circuits.


It won’t be safe unless there are two neutral wires or one big one with the capacity to return the current from both hot wires.


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it's totally safe
It's exactly what happens when you use 30 male to 50 female to run the 50 amp RV on a 30 amp service

Only the so called cheater pedestal, would be one 50 amp leg, ( instead of only 30 amps ) powering the 50 amp outlet, giving 25 amps on each leg
Or 50 on one leg or whatever each leg of the RV pulled up to the total of 50 amps of 120v available

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Not worth correcting this one any more.

Part of this issue is how one refers to the two hots (240 between them in a 50 amp RV outlet) and part is ...........


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MrWizard wrote:

it's totally safe
It's exactly what happens when you use 30 male to 50 female to run the 50 amp RV on a 30 amp service

Only the so called cheater pedestal, would be one 50 amp leg, ( instead of only 30 amps ) powering the 50 amp outlet, giving 25 amps on each leg
Or 50 on one leg or whatever each leg of the RV pulled up to the total of 50 amps of 120v available


How safe it would be depends on how the electrician wired it. If both legs of the 50 amp breaker are connected to the input wiring, it is possible to draw 50 amps on EACH leg in the RV. Instead of the neutral carrying the difference between the two hots, it would carry the sum. 50 + 50 is 100 amps on the unfused neutral. Unless it is oversized, that could be a problem. While it is not likely an RV would draw a full 50 amps on each leg, it is technically possible.


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