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Posted: 09/26/18 12:27pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Our EMS checks for that condition before it lets power through to the rig. In a little over three years of full-timing, we've never encountered what you're describing. I would think it would also be a violation of local codes in most places.

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I'm sure it would be a violation of code. NOW.

But I've heard that the code used to pay very little attention to RVs and RV parks. Does anyone here know WHEN RVs started coming with 50 amp service instead of 30 amp?

Cause I think it's possible that old campgrounds might have been wired by the camp 'handyman' back when they had to upgrade their pedestal. And if the incoming power from the electric company wasn't that great, they might have taken the easy - and cheap - way out.

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If the parks allow free recharging of your toad, it seems fair that they should pay for gas for my toad.


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Posted: 09/26/18 12:56pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

CA Traveler wrote:

Chris Bryant wrote:

More common would be a 50 amp limited to 30 amp/240 vac.
Wouldn't a 30A CB on a 50A plug also be a code violation?




I don't believe so, but I could be wrong.

On edit, it is allowed as long as there is a single outlet on the circuit.

* This post was edited 09/26/18 01:17pm by Chris Bryant *


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I have seen more than a few park model trailers with 3000 watt TWO HUNDRED FORTY VOLT water heaters.

And I will not be alive when it happens but when TWO DOLLAR PER kWh power is mandated with strict timer controlled limitations for charging vehicles the bloom will fade on the rose. Think this is fantasy? I feel sorry for you. Younger folks may wish to remember this and throw it into the face of the dreamers.

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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:

I have seen more than a few park model trailers with 3000 watt TWO HUNDRED FORTY VOLT water heaters.


Ours has an electric range, so it has 2 50 amp cords, all electric.

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And I will not be alive when it happens but when TWO DOLLAR PER kWh power is mandated with strict timer controlled limitations for charging vehicles the bloom will fade on the rose.


Yeah, but renewable power is cheap and getting cheaper, no matter the roadblocks put in its way. A couple of years ago, a $20k upfront investment would 100% of our business energy usage, it's probably cheaper now, even with tariffs .

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The PEV is not towable -


Not even with a dolly?


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I would very surprised to find any place wired this way !

First, I don't think it would save them very much money. They still have to pull all 4 wires.

Second, no insurance company would cover them and they would be open to all sorts of lawsuits.

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Second Chance wrote:

Our EMS checks for that condition before it lets power through to the rig.
What does your EMS do when you use a 30 to 50A adapter which would look the same to the EMS as the OP described?

My EMS switches to 30A (total) for load shedding.


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Yeah, but renewable power is cheap and getting cheaper, no matter the roadblocks put in its way. A couple of years ago, a $20k upfront investment would 100% of our business energy usage, it's probably cheaper now, even with tariffs .


I applaud you optimism. Renewable power is not getting cheaper and in fact when added to the traditional power grid of nuclear and natural gas, all it does is drive up the cost to the consumer. So much so that many states and provinces are scrapping green energy initiatives. Govt subsidies for electric cars are also being repealed.

You should be paying extra to charge your car. If you do not charging your car will drive up camping fees overall, and frankly I am not interested in paying for your car.

* This post was edited 09/26/18 01:49pm by IB853347201 *

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