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ok i will say this again. Alcohol does not have the "Punch" of gasoline that is less energy is contained in a gallon of ETOH than Gasoline.

So you do loose MPG and thus E-10 does not result in a 10% savings. it might result in SOME savings but clearly not 10%.

Then you have the cost of producing the ETOH. (Alcohol) this includes the fertilizer for the farmer's field. (Petrolum based in many cases) the fuel for his tractor to plough plant clutivate and harvest, fuel for the trucks that haul the corn to the still. fuel for the still and more.. The result. per several studies is an INCREASE in oil consumption.

All we are doing is "Spreading it around" from the city to the country. but we are still burning it, and burning more of it.

That said. I'd rather see the booze in the tank than the driver


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wa8yxm wrote:

ok i will say this again. Alcohol does not have the "Punch" of gasoline that is less energy is contained in a gallon of ETOH than Gasoline.

So you do loose MPG and thus E-10 does not result in a 10% savings. it might result in SOME savings but clearly not 10%.

Then you have the cost of producing the ETOH. (Alcohol) this includes the fertilizer for the farmer's field. (Petrolum based in many cases) the fuel for his tractor to plough plant clutivate and harvest, fuel for the trucks that haul the corn to the still. fuel for the still and more.. The result. per several studies is an INCREASE in oil consumption.

All we are doing is "Spreading it around" from the city to the country. but we are still burning it, and burning more of it.

That said. I'd rather see the booze in the tank than the driver


You are absolutely correct, but since we are not allowed to discuss the real reason for the existence of ethanol here, lets just say the whole swampy thing is a scam.





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I’m wondering what this means for ethanol free gas availability. That’s all I use. It’s already scarce in Central PA. What happens when the stations that do carry it need the tank for a new, mandated product?


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Bait and switch...."If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."

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Bait and switch...."If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."


As I have to keep telling my elderly mother, nothing the federal government did changed your health care plan. That was all the insurance companies' doing. There was no reason for them to continue to offer the old plans that offered much less coverage when they could simply cancel them and you would have no choice but to sign up for the newer plans that had much greater coverage (and of course cost more).

The federal government allowed for those plans to be grandfathered. The insurance companies simply chose not to because they could charge more for the newer plans.


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If you're going to argue politics, at least get the senators in the right states. I can assure you, Lindsey Graham is NOT from the great state of Iowa. He's from South Carolina.

Kinda messes up your statements when you get something like that wrong.

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That being said, the EXTENT of certain policies is certainly political. Ted Cruz doesn't give a **** about the health of your engine, and Lindsey Graham doesn't give a **** about lowering MTBE levels; when they lobby the President to side with gasoline (Ted) or ethanol (Lindsey), they are entirely concerned with protecting the moneybag industries in their respective states (Texas and Iowa).



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You're absolutely right. I mixed up Grassley with Graham.

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Ethanol caused burned valves, softened seals and fuel lines. Not all rubber and plastic part were compatible with ethanol.





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Immersing suspected vulnerable material under a layer of 100% HEET alcohol for a few months would answer this question. Try an inch of fuel hose to start off with. What do you end up with?

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Ford says NO E15 gasahol, nor the E85 fuel for my 3.5L Ecoboost.

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Leaving this link here. I am not aiming to be political with this, but just a heads up... more booze in our dino juice is headed our way.


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