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Posted: 09/05/19 09:16am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

valhalla360 wrote:

If there were no forest fires before man, did pines only come into existence when man started forest fires?

Fire has always been here, and is a part of mother nature's way. Only her way the fire never plumbs thru the forest canopy. It creeps along the forest floor, doing what mother intended.


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tom and barb and steelhunter, if you both are logging professionals, do you have specific opinions about thinning versus prescribed burns?

To put it another way, what's past is past -- clearly, total fire prevention did not work. And clear-cutting does prevent fires, but it is a pretty extreme remedy. So that is why I am trying to evaluate the various middle-ground solutions. I am guessing that the answer is not so simple.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!


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Again not a expert but forest fires have been happening before man was a thing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2015/11/19/the-age-of-fire-when-ancient-forests-burned/amp/


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steelhunter wrote:


Easily verifiable. ......

http://www.seattlemag.com/article/best-hikes-old-growth-forest


There are a few parks that old virgin trees. no where's near the hundreds of ac. that you believe.

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Tom/Barb wrote:

steelhunter wrote:


Easily verifiable. ......

http://www.seattlemag.com/article/best-hikes-old-growth-forest


There are a few parks that old virgin trees. no where's near the hundreds of ac. that you believe.


It's just one easily verifiable example.


Thee are many other areas with thousands of acres. Mt. St Helens for example.

n any case these places have more than a few hundred acres and FAR more than the 50 acres you claim.

You need to investigate before you accuse others of ignorance.

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1320Fastback wrote:

Again not a expert but forest fires have been happening before man was a thing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2015/11/19/the-age-of-fire-when-ancient-forests-burned/amp/


Interesting....

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profdant139 wrote:

tom and barb and steelhunter, if you both are logging professionals, do you have specific opinions about thinning versus prescribed burns?

To put it another way, what's past is past -- clearly, total fire prevention did not work. And clear-cutting does prevent fires, but it is a pretty extreme remedy. So that is why I am trying to evaluate the various middle-ground solutions. I am guessing that the answer is not so simple.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!


Both methods have a place in managing timber areas. It depends on a variety of factors.

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I figured there had to be more to it than a simple choice. What are some of the factors?

The reason I ask is that Cal Fire and the national forests and the national parks do not see eye to eye on the choice between thinning and prescribed burns.

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profdant139 wrote:

I figured there had to be more to it than a simple choice. What are some of the factors?

The reason I ask is that Cal Fire and the national forests and the national parks do not see eye to eye on the choice between thinning and prescribed burns.


Ahh yes. Two government agencies at odds over how best to manage.
It may be that the differing views have a political root.

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Of particular interest after 6:30

https://youtu.be/CAgP9fo3f7s

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