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camperdave wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:

I'll stick with my conventional flooded cell and AGM batteries thank you. If the hybrid ones ever get in line price wise with conventional batteries, I may try them. Until then, no way.


Can you imagine using flooded lead acid batteries in your cell phone? lol.


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1. I used to dive a lot and did underwater photography for many years. Back then, photographers were few and cameras expensive.

2. In order to get good underwater photographs, you need lots and lots of light. My flashes used over a pound of NiCad batteries. I would regularly have 3 large chargers plugged in at a time. It was only flashlights and cameras charging back then. Now, everyone has things to charge, especially overnight.

3. The most contested real estate on a live aboard dive boat is the outlet(s) and table where you charge things. Divers pack an extra power strip to be sure there are enough plug ins for their personal needs. A few outlets and lots of chained power strips.

4. I reserve judgement on the cause, but a battery fire is a real possibility, especially if someone had a home made or cheaply made Li battery pack for an underwater scooter, drone, video or flash system.

FYI I was aboard one of the three boats of this company in the 80's. It was hard enough to get out of the bunk area at mealtime, I cannot imagine efficient egress in an emergency. My thoughts and prayers for the victims and their family.

I can see new regs coming that require Li batteries brought onboard be charged in a fireproof container. There also may be a certification for batteries that have a "fireproof" battery management system. We may learn what Li system is most appropriate for your TC.


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jaycocreek wrote:

I have never understood the new RV internet standards,especially for batteries that don't really last any longer than the inexpensive ones..I just sold a 2010 travel trailer with the 7 year old group 27 batteries that came with it.They still held a charge well and only cost about $100 to replace if needed...

As for the Lithium batteries and fires,one word Samsung...

Not knocking those that choose to buy expensive batteries for there RV,I just don't see the benefit myself for my needs.


I think a lot is that people want to play or experiment with ideas. They are not necessarily better ideas they are just different. I read a lot about needing smart charging systems, special meters and batteries and so much is just people's opinions.

I remember my Dad would buy an old car battery from the wreckers, toss it in his VW van and it would run for years powering his lights, fan, etc. If he did something stupid like forgot a light was on and killed the battery he would head back to the wreckers and grab another. Cost $20.

Today we put $1000 in with controllers, batteries, etc and we still kill the battery from doing something stupid.


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Posted: 09/13/19 02:29pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

work2much wrote:


Here is a short article on 5 common lithium battery types.
http://synergyfiles.com/2015/09/5-types-of-lithium-ion-batteries/


Thanks for the link. Good to know.


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Thanks for the link, interesting point on reconditioning.


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By design LiFePo4 has a relatively benign chemistry, via less energy density...

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I just sent back a jump starter with a lithium iron phosphate battery. It was useless to me as I wanted a 12 volt power supply for inflating rafts at a launch site and it was designed only to jump start a dead battery. UPS required a sticker on the package that said in big red letters "Danger Contains Lithium Battery. Do Not Ship By Air". I guess they're not taking any chances.

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Print one subjective article about lithium batteries and people run amok. My brother has lived in Ventura since the early 70's and know's many divers and fishermen that have been on the Conception over the years, none of them who knew that boat wouldn't sleep below deck, they called the berths below "coffin bunks", no way to get out in case of a fire.

Since they just got the remains of the boat on dry land maybe they might be able to find the cause or not,anything else is pure speculation!


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