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Yosemite Sam1

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Posted: 10/21/19 01:22pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Alan_Hepburn wrote:

You certainly have the right to refuse a search, but then they also have the right to tell you to turn around and go back the way you came...


Indeed! And just be thoughtful of how many farmers' livelihood will be ruined if you are indeed carrying pests.

@fj12ryder - Civics 101, Nancy is not responsible for state regulations, CA legislators do.

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pitch wrote:

You're kidding me right? You let the government violate your rights on awhim?


You seem to be missing one HUGE but subtle detail.

It's NOT a violation when they ask for your permission.......

Nobody put a gun to your head and forced their way in, but you'll probably never know if your tag info, and etc., just went into a database of 'uncooperative' folks.

I have a LOT of LEO friends, they all say the same thing, a LOT of info comes up when they run a name, most of that and the subjects behaviour are the biggest part of deciding on how thy get treated and whether or not they get tickets.

Most people forget, speaking of little details, that YOU don't own the tags on your vehicle, the State does. In this part of the world they have spot inspections on major highways, usually on holiday weekends, where they check suspected unsafe or dangerous vehicles. Lots' of mouthy folks give the folks doing the checking a hard time. They're the ones who usually get told they're free to go ....... just as soon as the tow truck gets there, but the tags are staying with us.

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I would have been no free than happy to do a u turn. California aim,t that big a deal. I answered her questions truthfully and completely, I was carrying no fruit no pests. Can the same be said for the other Travelers there with me that got the cursory questions and waved on,? Why was I singled out for special scrutiny?
It boggles my mind that so many of you are so willing to surrender your rights. I spent a 31year career with the federal government having a minimum of a secret clearance and the last 8with a top secret carying segeral endorsements.
I know first hand what a petty government official can do to a citizen,I will not become a victim. If you wish to bow down to an unconstitutional request go for it. I for one will stand on my two feet and demand my government treat me as a citizen, not a subject!

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Yep, that's the only trouble with California. Absolutely no problems other than wanting to do an Ag inspection.

Eliminate the Ag inspections and the state would be a utopia. [emoticon]

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pitch wrote:

I would have been no free than happy to do a u turn. California aim,t that big a deal. I answered her questions truthfully and completely, I was carrying no fruit no pests. Can the same be said for the other Travelers there with me that got the cursory questions and waved on,? Why was I singled out for special scrutiny?
It boggles my mind that so many of you are so willing to surrender your rights. I spent a 31year career with the federal government having a minimum of a secret clearance and the last 8with a top secret carying segeral endorsements.
I know first hand what a petty government official can do to a citizen,I will not become a victim. If you wish to bow down to an unconstitutional request go for it. I for one will stand on my two feet and demand my government treat me as a citizen, not a subject!


Excuse me, but the border inspector has the rights to go inside and inspect your RV.

It's a decided case that trailers and motorhomes are part of "automobile exception" for warrantless search.

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"I spent a 31year career with the federal government"

You certainly didn't spend any of your career with the Department of Agriculture.


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pitch wrote:

...If you wish to bow down to an unconstitutional request go for it. I for one will stand on my two feet and demand my government treat me as a citizen, not a subject!

a request to do this or that is just that a request. requests are neither constitutional or unconstitutional...they're just requests. you said no. end of story. if they had pushed their way inside to search without probable cause then that may be unconstitutional. if you suffer retaliation for that answer then it's time for an atty otherwise have a nice day.


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pitch wrote:

I would have been no free than happy to do a u turn. California aim,t that big a deal. I answered her questions truthfully and completely, I was carrying no fruit no pests. Can the same be said for the other Travelers there with me that got the cursory questions and waved on,? Why was I singled out for special scrutiny?
It boggles my mind that so many of you are so willing to surrender your rights. I spent a 31year career with the federal government having a minimum of a secret clearance and the last 8with a top secret carying segeral endorsements.
I know first hand what a petty government official can do to a citizen,I will not become a victim. If you wish to bow down to an unconstitutional request go for it. I for one will stand on my two feet and demand my government treat me as a citizen, not a subject!


You dun good. Don't let the sheep get to you.

btw, US citizens' rights are different from foreigner's rights. Yes, even our good friends from Canada. Freedom of US citizens to travel within the US across state lines is federally codified somewhere (and no, I am not going to look it up for you). Remember, Rules made up by some bureaucrat are not Laws.

And the sov folks are a whole nuther issue.


And I'm IN B4 the Closed Thread post.

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pitch wrote:

Why was I singled out for special scrutiny?
Maybe what you should have done is what I did when it happened to me and just ask why. The inspector told me it was simply based on my plates, NJ at the time. They told me that at that time any vehicle from that area was getting a special going-over because of - what's that they call it now - a credible threat.

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rk911 wrote:

pitch wrote:

...If you wish to bow down to an unconstitutional request go for it. I for one will stand on my two feet and demand my government treat me as a citizen, not a subject!

a request to do this or that is just that a request. requests are neither constitutional or unconstitutional...they're just requests. you said no. end of story. if they had pushed their way inside to search without probable cause then that may be unconstitutional. if you suffer retaliation for that answer then it's time for an atty otherwise have a nice day.


Except that this is already a decided case by the U.S. Supreme Court decision in California vs. Carney case, the a motorhome, while it is similar to a house/home, is part of the "automobile exemption" can can be subject to search without need of a warrant.

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