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ShinerBock

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Posted: 04/03/20 01:16pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

There is good and bad. I can't say I am not surprised that hundreds of billions would be saved by the industry and thousands would be saved by the consumer all for a very small 3/1000th of one degree Celsius by 2100 and 8/100ths of a percent increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration in 2100. Goes to show how ridiculous some of the regulations have gotten and how much they cost the industry/consumer


New Federal Fuel Economy Standard (SAFE) Goes Into Effect for 2021-2026

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Ford will win in the end by staying the course. The US will, as usual lately, fall further behind the rest of the civilized world. SOP


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TurnThePage wrote:

Ford will win in the end by staying the course. The US will, as usual lately, fall further behind the rest of the civilized world. SOP


So $265 billion and almost $3k per vehicles saved in just 9 years is worth 3/1000th of one degree Celsius and 8/100ths of a percent increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration in 2100? So how to do you know that freeing up this capital to invest in EV's will not work as well? Or investing it in such things as pulling carbon from the air? Just because people don't do things a certain way that you happen favor doesn't mean they are doomed or it won't work? There is more than one way to skin a cat and you can't act like your way is the only way it should be done.

You do have one thing right. Our regulations(even the 2012) are behind the rest of the world when it comes to CO2, and favor gasoline engines which emit more CO2 than diesel engines which emit less. It is vice versa elsewhere. If the previous generation were to actually want to curb the CO2, then they would have had our emission mirror the EU which are more lenient diesel emissions that are not greenhouse emissions and more strict gas engine emissions that emit more greenhouse gases.

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A lot of the purpose of it is throwing additional costs onto the legacy fuel to help drive us toward renewables. Looking at it like spending X to achieve Y is largely missing the point.

I think it's fair for reasonable people to have differing opinions on whether that's a good idea or not. Right now most of us probably don't care much one way or the other given the economic situation we're watching develop.


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ShinerBock wrote:

small 3/1000th of one degree Celsius by 2100 and 8/100ths of a percent increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration in 2100. Goes to show how ridiculous some of the regulations have gotten and how much they cost the industry/consumer.
I would have to agree, IF those figures are correct. But, I'm also seeing this administration having its way with the EPA in cutting many other environmental regulations in the name of making money.

I'm hopeful the burning of fossil fuels is on its way into history.

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I'm hopeful the burning of fossil fuels is on its way into history.

Also, EV's alone will only reduce carbon and cannot remove it. It will take things like removing carbon from air to make this happen. However, just like Tesla needs wealthy investors and buyers to fund his R&D, so does this technology which has the potential to remove more carbon than we put in the air. Who will be bank rolling it will be ICE drivers themselves with every drop of carbon from air fuel they purchase. Without this funding, there would be no incentive to do it on a major scale that is needed.

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TurnThePage wrote:

Ford will win in the end by staying the course. The US will, as usual lately, fall further behind the rest of the civilized world. SOP


LOL please lecture the rest of us, while driving your gas guzzler and camper for pleasure.

The US leads when it comes to emissions while "up and coming" countries like China and India gets pass.

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gmcsmoke wrote:

TurnThePage wrote:

Ford will win in the end by staying the course. The US will, as usual lately, fall further behind the rest of the civilized world. SOP


LOL please lecture the rest of us, while driving your gas guzzler and camper for pleasure.

The US leads when it comes to emissions while "up and coming" countries like China and India gets pass.


Exactly!

I think the manufacturers should make both and see how many of the greenies opt for the vehicle that is $3,000 more expensive.

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Also charge EV’s a per mile road tax since they are not contributing to repair and build roads with fuel tax

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Some states are setting up to do that by requiring the annual odometer reading at registration. The electric guys are going to get nailed....

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