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And hope the parks open.
Wprvo, where are you? I recall west Yellowstone?
I'm bidding a job in Kalispell right now. Hope we get it. Would not be torture to spend the next couple years in NW MT!


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For Glacier National Park, hopefully some good news. My twin step-daughters are both working at Glacier at Lake McDonald Lodge this season, and both got an email today (04.03.20) telling them that all previous plans for opening are still under way and they should plan on arrival for the scheduled May opening. IIRC, they are supposed to be there in late April.


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Ductape wrote:

Everything should open. We’re trading a few weeks of intense pain for years of economic depression worse than anything in our nation’s history.

I agree, too. If the worst case scenario passes in the US about 1 million people would die. About 3 million people die in the US every year. A lot of the people who will die from COVID-19 would've passed away this year any way. But if you crater the economy other people who would not have died will die this year. We're already seeing this. They are trading one group of lives for another group of lives. Most of this is just fearmongering from politicians who want to be in the national spotlight.





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Living in NY State and fairly close to NYC, I can tell you I have a different perspective than expressed by several on this thread. Infections and deaths and the huge costs are becoming evident. Even 50 miles from the City, my neighborhood is starting to look like a war zone. There is a huge "Mash" unit and testing facility that has already been erected in a large parking lot. Another mile away construction is underway to erect another unit. I think it will house something like a thousand hospital beds. People are hunkered down and still the infections are growing at a rapid rate. Everything is at a stand still and people are dying. Not just old people who would have died anyway. People of all ages are dying and many of those who recover talk about a near death experience. This is a big deal, not likely to end in a month or two.

In fact it is by no means clear how or when it will end. This is not China where the government has endless power. In the US we cannot even keep track of tens of millions of illegals who are also becoming infected and dying. Flattening the curve does not stop the infection. Flattening does not even keep the infections down to the level that our healthcare system can cope. Flattening certainly does not end the infections.

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JimK-NY wrote:

Living in NY State and fairly close to NYC, I can tell you I have a different perspective than expressed by several on this thread. Infections and deaths and the huge costs are becoming evident. Even 50 miles from the City, my neighborhood is starting to look like a war zone. There is a huge "Mash" unit and testing facility that has already been erected in a large parking lot. Another mile away construction is underway to erect another unit. I think it will house something like a thousand hospital beds. People are hunkered down and still the infections are growing at a rapid rate. Everything is at a stand still and people are dying. Not just old people who would have died anyway. People of all ages are dying and many of those who recover talk about a near death experience. This is a big deal, not likely to end in a month or two.

In fact it is by no means clear how or when it will end. This is not China where the government has endless power. In the US we cannot even keep track of tens of millions of illegals who are also becoming infected and dying. Flattening the curve does not stop the infection. Flattening does not even keep the infections down to the level that our healthcare system can cope. Flattening certainly does not end the infections.
NYC has the highest infection rate of anywhere in the world. Why do you think that is? Do you think cramming several million people into a few square miles has something to do with it. Or riding to work in subway cars packed tighter then sardines in a can? The rest of this country doesn't I've like NYC does. Basing what is going to happen in the rest of this country upon what is happening in NYC isn't realistic.

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DallasSteve wrote:

Ductape wrote:

Everything should open. We’re trading a few weeks of intense pain for years of economic depression worse than anything in our nation’s history.

I agree, too. If the worst case scenario passes in the US about 1 million people would die. About 3 million people die in the US every year. A lot of the people who will die from COVID-19 would've passed away this year any way. But if you crater the economy other people who would not have died will die this year. We're already seeing this. They are trading one group of lives for another group of lives. Most of this is just fearmongering from politicians who want to be in the national spotlight.


I wholly agree. What good is it to be alive if there are no jobs, you lost your house and car and are at the end of your rope! But hey we saved lives so you should be happy. If this shelter at home continues longer than the end of the month hen you will start seeing job losses in record numbers, foreclosures, peoplelosing cars and family and then suicides. If you don't think it will happen then you are in denial as much as you say people are in denial about COVID-19!

It needs to be a fine balance of health and economy. I know it's hard to think of it that way, but that is the reality.


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troubledwaters wrote:

..... Basing what is going to happen in the rest of this country upon what is happening in NYC isn't realistic.


The predictions are that this virus is spreading and will continue to spread like a wildfire in a wind storm. It can spread rapidly from people who show no symptoms and never know they are carriers. A 6 foot social isolation zone is a Minimum and no guarantee of safety. Most of us are in strict isolation, now wearing masks and not handling groceries or even US mail. I try to keep a 20-30 foot distance from others. What do you think would happen with millions of visitors in visitor centers, using campground bathrooms, touching gas pump handles, or even walking nearby others on trails? A you going to hand your credit card or pass to a entrance station ranger and then just put it in your pocket? Some people have no idea what is happening and what is headed their way.

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Boon Docker wrote:

Ductape wrote:

Everything should open. We’re trading a few weeks of intense pain for years of economic depression worse than anything in our nation’s history.


Not sure about that logic.
I think saving millions of peoples lives (by keeping things shut down for now) is more important than the economy at the moment.


Millions...is melodrama based on what we currently know.

This is part of the problem. Decisions have largely been made based on political WILL and the media has been doing everything possible to whip up hysteria and that drives the political will.

I expect within the next 2-4 weeks, the massive economic impact will cause people to reassess the media hysteria and the political equation will change to taking a more measured approach where we keep effective actions in place but otherwise reopen the economy.


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valhalla360 wrote:

Decisions have largely been made based on political WILL and the media has been doing everything possible to whip up hysteria and that drives the political will.
Why is it always the media's fault? If Fox news has the viewership they do, then there shouldn't be any hysteria as they're still talking about FISA warrants and bashing Biden.

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2oldman wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

Decisions have largely been made based on political WILL and the media has been doing everything possible to whip up hysteria and that drives the political will.
Why is it always the media's fault?
Because their the ones creating and perpetuating the hysteria?

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