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Put 100 people out of work and how many premature deaths result from that?
I hear that, but these are tough times requiring even tougher decisions. I know I wouldn't want to be making them.

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2oldman wrote:

Ductape wrote:

Put 100 people out of work and how many premature deaths result from that?
I hear that, but these are tough times requiring even tougher decisions. I know I wouldn't want to be making them.

Amazing how we think we are going to die if the rat race stops for a few months.


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All of the governors get their projections from a website that was set up for the purpose. This website uses numbers from Imperial in the UK. Neil Ferguson's Imperial projections (read "projections" as: "a guesstimate") have been way, way too high so far in nearly every country. Oxford has done their own projections, and the model they use has proven more accurate. Oxford's numbers indicate much lower total deaths. UK death estimates have gone from 500,000 to only about 20,000, and the UK government officially no longer considers Covid19 to be in the same danger category as SARS or MERS. But our governors continue to be fed worst-case numbers from Imperial. (I think our President is skeptical of those projections, but he has to be cautious.)

Stanford has a nobel laureate recipient doing research on this virus, and his numbers show that the US is likely to peak much lower and much earlier than the Imperial projections. The LA Times and OANN both carried this story. We are likely to peak sometime this month.


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Lantley wrote:

2oldman wrote:

Ductape wrote:

Put 100 people out of work and how many premature deaths result from that?
I hear that, but these are tough times requiring even tougher decisions. I know I wouldn't want to be making them.

Amazing how we think we are going to die if the rat race stops for a few months.
It will be interesting to see what life is like this summer and next fall. Produce farmers in places like Georgia are having trouble getting anyone to pick their berries and vegetables that are ripening in the next month or so. This was on national tv news the last couple of days. If the US ends up having trouble producing enough food, and since we know that the virus is impacting practically all countries so farmers everywhere may have the same problem, what will the food supply be like 6 months from now? How many people might die due to malnutrition as a result of a prolonged shutdown? This is why we need to end the isolation as soon as we are able; it is serving a purpose for now, but extending it much longer could be worse than the virus.

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My opinion: even if we get the medical side of all of this solved by mid-summer (miraculously, vaccines available or a cure-all drug?) - the economic side will be a killer. People who have been laid off/lost their jobs/ or simply weathered a heckuva storm for 6 months, aren't going to be in the mood to go out on the road and spend a bunch of money. Ed and I were just alking about this - he watches all the talking heads on the financial channels, and they see us recovered, economically, by the end of 2021. Ouch.

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Thom02099 wrote:

For Glacier National Park, hopefully some good news. My twin step-daughters are both working at Glacier at Lake McDonald Lodge this season, and both got an email today (04.03.20) telling them that all previous plans for opening are still under way and they should plan on arrival for the scheduled May opening. IIRC, they are supposed to be there in late April.


Great news!
Are they working for a big company like Delaware North, Zanterra etc or ? Are they higher up the chain and regarded as necessary?
Curious what positions a are still being told to come!
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nancyjerry wrote:

Thom02099 wrote:

For Glacier National Park, hopefully some good news. My twin step-daughters are both working at Glacier at Lake McDonald Lodge this season, and both got an email today (04.03.20) telling them that all previous plans for opening are still under way and they should plan on arrival for the scheduled May opening. IIRC, they are supposed to be there in late April.


Great news!
Are they working for a big company like Delaware North, Zanterra etc or ? Are they higher up the chain and regarded as necessary?
Curious what positions a are still being told to come!
Thanks.
I assume the park concessionaires are doing things similar to what we are trying to do, which is wait until the last minute to make any huge decisions. From a hard nosed practical point of view the concessionaires are better served to string seasonal employees along for as long as possible. It is far easier to let 1000 people go than it is to hire 1000 at a moment's notice. And those big concessionaires have a pretty strong track record of not being employee oriented. Xanterra has long been considered among the worst companies to work for in the US (sources: Reddit, Glassdoor). I would advise your step daughters to not spend their anticipated paychecks in advance.

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Good point and figured along same lines. Worked under Grand Teton Lodge Co last year at Colter Bay. They are under the parent company Vail Resorts which closed all the ski resorts and had employees to deal with in town and in housing.

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Deb and Ed M wrote:

My opinion: even if we get the medical side of all of this solved by mid-summer (miraculously, vaccines available or a cure-all drug?) - the economic side will be a killer. People who have been laid off/lost their jobs/ or simply weathered a heckuva storm for 6 months, aren't going to be in the mood to go out on the road and spend a bunch of money. Ed and I were just alking about this - he watches all the talking heads on the financial channels, and they see us recovered, economically, by the end of 2021. Ouch.
That would be great - I actually thought much longer.

But then, my biggest concern is with who's going to go out of business. I'm wondering if Walmart and Amazon will be the only retailers left alive.


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westernrvparkowner wrote:

We are actively planning for a business Armageddon in Montana. There is a serious potential that Glacier, Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks will not open this year.


I've been concerned about you, and folks like you. Very happy to hear that you have the resources to survive a no-income year.

I doubt many others will survive.

I was once employed in a seasonal business - short track auto racing - and the delay of the season has already forced a couple families to plan to sell their facilities. They do not have the resources to survive losing 1/6th to 1/3rd of the potential income for a year.

Best of luck.


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