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Lantley

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JimK-NY wrote:

Some people just don't want to get it..... We are not going to go back to the way things were, ever!!

When we "reopen" and relax the shutdown policy that does not mean somehow the concerns about Covic are gone. Some businesses will open but with restrictions. Other businesses will not open for the foreseeable future. Some will go out of business. Our society will change in ways we cannot predict.

Very true. Now in Maryland we will be required to wear face mask when shopping in a retail place or using public transportation.
The irony is face mask are not readily available. Homemade mask are OK, But for us to get back to full steam all of the required testing and needed garb and essentials must be in place. Despite some of the rhetoric. WE still have a few hurdles to go.


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"Fear" is the driving force behind most of the comments and opinions. We fear what might happen if we do something and we fear what might happen if we don't. As some have correctly pointed out, we have no idea what the future will be like. Never have, never will. We had a President at one time who said, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself". Oh, for the good old days.

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Let’s do it this way.

Open things up and let the ones who want to isolate, isolate and the ones who want to work, work!

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Etstorm wrote:

Let’s do it this way.

Open things up and let the ones who want to isolate, isolate and the ones who want to work, work!
But that would make the control freaks so very unhappy! [emoticon]


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Etstorm wrote:

Let’s do it this way.

Open things up and let the ones who want to isolate, isolate and the ones who want to work, work!


That should work out great at the Smithfield pork processing plant.

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Staying open has worked well for JBS USA in CO and National Beef Packing Co in IA (both essential business).

COVID-19: JBS Shutters Greeley Beef Plant, National closes Tama

It’s difficult to not spread this virus since people are infectious before and/or without having symptoms; especially since testing (when it is approved) does not occur prior to symptoms.

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Posted: 04/16/20 08:51am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

It will be interesting to see what happens with jobs when the stay at home advisories are lifted. The meatpacking plants didn't close because some governor asked them to, they closed because the workers got sick. The auto plants in this state closed before any social distancing order was issued. The restaurants were nearly empty before the order, there were not that many folks foolish enough to sit cheek to jowl with others just to have a meal. Hotels and airlines failed because they didn't have customers, all prior to any orders. The virus has put people out of work, not so much the politicians. Just a reminder....





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The Dr in pic was wearing a Respirator, they are designed to protect your lungs. They have to be conformed to your nose to be efficient. Then there are dust masks pic 1 that look similar and may or may not have the metal pc to bend but they may specifically say "Not intended to protect your lungs". So look the package over to suite your needs.

No matter what you wear you should try to seal it to your face as much as possible.

So for those may sayers, I was a Construction Superintendent for many years and I was responsible for the safety of my employees. We had different types of "RESPIRATORS" that we used all depending on what we were trying to avoid getting into our lungs.

The N95 pic 2 we used for drywall and other contaminates in the air. We would use the ones with replaceable filters pic 3 for things like contact cement.

They all have to be worn properly as I mentioned. Whatever you wear make sure it conforms as tightly to your face as possible so the air you inhale is filtered.



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A common theme is we need more and more and more testing. Could someone please explain exactly what that will accomplish? A test doesn't cure anyone. The only time I see an advantage, other than to the statisticians, is if you test positive for the active virus and you have no other symptoms. Then you could quarantine yourself until you are no longer a silent carrier. But what are the odds of identifying that silent carrier? Currently only one out of over 500 people in the US have been diagnosed with COVID. That would mean you have to go through a lot of haystacks to find the needles.
Testing negative would mean almost nothing. It wouldn't prevent you from future infections. It wouldn't make you less at risk doing anything involving contact with others since you could become infected at any time. Even the momentary relief a person might feel at knowing they are not sick would quickly be extinguished by the knowledge they are just a vulnerable going forward as they were before they were tested.
If you have an antibody test and test positive, you probably (though the experts say it isn't a guarantee) have some immunity. While that would give you, as an individual, some comfort I don't see where it is even within the realm of possibility that we create some kind of virus passport and those people become a higher class of citizen able to do things the rest of us are not. If that actually came to pass, people would try to become infected, hoping to recover and gain that preferred status.
So unless the goal is create a statistical cover saying the virus is not nearly as dangerous as was thought, testing on a massive scale will not lead us to a much safer environment. It appears to me that calling for widespread testing before action can be taken to open up the economy is a way for the politicians and other decision makers to look and sound like they are doing something and give themselves leverage to delay the inevitable relaxation of restrictions.

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westernrvparkowner wrote:

A common theme is we need more and more and more testing. Could someone please explain exactly what that will accomplish? A test doesn't cure anyone. The only time I see an advantage, other than to the statisticians, is if you test positive for the active virus and you have no other symptoms. Then you could quarantine yourself until you are no longer a silent carrier. But what are the odds of identifying that silent carrier? Currently only one out of over 500 people in the US have been diagnosed with COVID. That would mean you have to go through a lot of haystacks to find the needles.
Testing negative would mean almost nothing. It wouldn't prevent you from future infections. It wouldn't make you less at risk doing anything involving contact with others since you could become infected at any time. Even the momentary relief a person might feel at knowing they are not sick would quickly be extinguished by the knowledge they are just a vulnerable going forward as they were before they were tested.
If you have an antibody test and test positive, you probably (though the experts say it isn't a guarantee) have some immunity. While that would give you, as an individual, some comfort I don't see where it is even within the realm of possibility that we create some kind of virus passport and those people become a higher class of citizen able to do things the rest of us are not. If that actually came to pass, people would try to become infected, hoping to recover and gain that preferred status.
So unless the goal is create a statistical cover saying the virus is not nearly as dangerous as was thought, testing on a massive scale will not lead us to a much safer environment. It appears to me that calling for widespread testing before action can be taken to open up the economy is a way for the politicians and other decision makers to look and sound like they are doing something and give themselves leverage to delay the inevitable relaxation of restrictions.


You open things back up with non-sick people.
Sick people stay home.
When they get better then they go back to work.

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