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Lantley

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Mosseater Wrote:
Can anybody explain how me camping 50 feet away from another family outdoors is anywhere near an considered risk?

At this point I agree to some extent some things can be opened up.
But understand the virus is spread through human interaction. It can also be spread by people who don't realize they are spreading it..
When you go camping you will have at least 1 interaction along the way.
Be it checking in,getting gas,getting food,getting firewood somewhere in the process you will have an encounter with someone else. Apply that thinking to everyone in the campground. Every camper had at least one encounter during related to that trip. Add in the idea that you may have brought the virus from your community Dillsburg,PA and spread it to my community Ellicott City Md via the firewood guy or some other mutually encountered person!
Now we can think that is all far fetched except the virus spread from Wuhan, China to the entire world one interaction at a time....None of those interactions were deliberately or intentionally done to spread the virus but they did.
Now at this point I can agree to open things up somewhat, The spread is not as bad as we feared and the hospitals except for NYC are generally not overwhelmed. However there is a risk to associated with allowing camping that is real and not imagined.


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GordonThree wrote:



That said, there's surely national forest available for you to camp in? Being self reliant all you need is an a clearing in the trees, right?


I think you will find that there is only one national forest in Pennsylvania and it has only a few sites available for dispersed camping. It is currently listed as closed.





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PA might sort of be open for camping unless you prefer State Parks.
Hot off the presses. The yellow area are 24 of the 67 counties in the Northwest and North central part of the state. For all others, looks like sometime in June.........maybe. Sure are using the word "Indefinitly" a lot.

"State park and forest facilities including offices, campgrounds, and the Nature Inn at Bald Eagle in the counties in the yellow phase will be open to the public on May 15.

Cabins in the yellow areas will not open until June 12, to allow returning staff the ability to thoroughly clean them and prepare them for use.

Campgrounds and cabins in all other state parks will remain closed.

With the exception of one restroom in each day use area and marina, all state park and forest facilities outside of the counties in the yellow phase will remain closed until changes are made consistent with Obergruppenfuhrer Wolf’s guidelines for reopening.

The public can still access DCNR trails, lakes, rivers, streams, forests, roads, and parking areas statewide for recreation."

Playgrounds and Nature Play Areas

All playgrounds and nature play areas statewide will remain closed indefinitely.

Interpretive Centers and Ampitheaters

All interpretive centers and amphitheaters statewide will remain
closed indefinitely.

Group Camping

All group camping facilities statewide will remain closed closed indefinitely.


Swimming Beaches

Swimming beaches statewide will be closed until June 6.

Swimming Pools

DCNR is still in discussions with the Pennsylvania Department of Health to determine swimming pool openings, and what the recommended guidance will be for use of pools.

Programs and Events

All programs, events, and large gatherings at state parks and forests in counties that are designated red are cancelled through June 15.

Based on availability, organizers will have the option to reschedule later in the year. No new reservations for these activities are being taken.

In counties designated yellow, any events with more than 25 people will be cancelled. If the event is under 25 people and outdoors it will be allowed to occur, however any indoor events will be cancelled.

Pavilions

Consistent with obergruppenfuhrer Wolf’s guidelines for reopening, facilities such as pavilions will only be available for groups under 25 and will be on a first come first serve basis.

Picnic tables in state parks will be dispersed to allow room to spread out and avoid crowds.

COVID-19 and Outdoor Recreation Reminders

Campsites and cabins should only be used by members living in the same household as part of COVID-19 mitigation efforts.

People who live in areas still under stay-at-home orders should not travel long distances for outdoor recreation, and instead should look for opportunities close to home.

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GDS-3950BH wrote:

PA might sort of be open for camping unless you prefer State Parks.
Hot off the presses. The yellow area are 24 of the 67 counties in the Northwest and North central part of the state. For all others, looks like sometime in June.........maybe. Sure are using the word "Indefinitly" a lot.

"State park and forest facilities including offices, campgrounds, and the Nature Inn at Bald Eagle in the counties in the yellow phase will be open to the public on May 15.

Cabins in the yellow areas will not open until June 12, to allow returning staff the ability to thoroughly clean them and prepare them for use.

Campgrounds and cabins in all other state parks will remain closed.

With the exception of one restroom in each day use area and marina, all state park and forest facilities outside of the counties in the yellow phase will remain closed until changes are made consistent with Obergruppenfuhrer Wolf’s guidelines for reopening.

The public can still access DCNR trails, lakes, rivers, streams, forests, roads, and parking areas statewide for recreation."

Playgrounds and Nature Play Areas

All playgrounds and nature play areas statewide will remain closed indefinitely.

Interpretive Centers and Ampitheaters

All interpretive centers and amphitheaters statewide will remain
closed indefinitely.

Group Camping

All group camping facilities statewide will remain closed closed indefinitely.


Swimming Beaches

Swimming beaches statewide will be closed until June 6.

Swimming Pools

DCNR is still in discussions with the Pennsylvania Department of Health to determine swimming pool openings, and what the recommended guidance will be for use of pools.

Programs and Events

All programs, events, and large gatherings at state parks and forests in counties that are designated red are cancelled through June 15.

Based on availability, organizers will have the option to reschedule later in the year. No new reservations for these activities are being taken.

In counties designated yellow, any events with more than 25 people will be cancelled. If the event is under 25 people and outdoors it will be allowed to occur, however any indoor events will be cancelled.

Pavilions

Consistent with obergruppenfuhrer Wolf’s guidelines for reopening, facilities such as pavilions will only be available for groups under 25 and will be on a first come first serve basis.

Picnic tables in state parks will be dispersed to allow room to spread out and avoid crowds.

COVID-19 and Outdoor Recreation Reminders

Campsites and cabins should only be used by members living in the same household as part of COVID-19 mitigation efforts.

People who live in areas still under stay-at-home orders should not travel long distances for outdoor recreation, and instead should look for opportunities close to home.

My understanding is all Pa state parks will be open on May 22. Cabins and many other things in the parks will not open until later this summer. They haven't really said what will happen with the restrooms.

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I just saw today that although the Delaware State Parks will open for camping on Friday, May 15th.... IF you are traveling from out of state, YOU MUST SELF QUARANTINE for 14 days... that would take DE out of the mix for Memorial Day if true....


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In todays world it is easy to buy gas, food, and firewood without interaction with anyone. I can do it in my small town of 1200 people.


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zb39 wrote:

In todays world it is easy to buy gas, food, and firewood without interaction with anyone. I can do it in my small town of 1200 people.

I bought firewood last week. I always go to the same place and I always help unload the wheelbarrows into my truck when the guy isn't there and his wife is working or when the guy is there and he's loading up the next wheelbarrow while I'm unloading one. Last week though, I wasn't paying attention and realized that the guy stood there talking with me while I unloaded all three loads myself. He totally suckered me. [emoticon]

So yeah, we were both wearing gloves and not standing near each other. Totally safe.


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dedmiston wrote:

zb39 wrote:

In todays world it is easy to buy gas, food, and firewood without interaction with anyone. I can do it in my small town of 1200 people.

I bought firewood last week. I always go to the same place and I always help unload the wheelbarrows into my truck when the guy isn't there and his wife is working or when the guy is there and he's loading up the next wheelbarrow while I'm unloading one. Last week though, I wasn't paying attention and realized that the guy stood there talking with me while I unloaded all three loads myself. He totally suckered me. [emoticon]

So yeah, we were both wearing gloves and not standing near each other. Totally safe.

I trust everyone was wearing face mask during this conversation?
I'm not against relaxing the rules and opening things up for camping however I'm not naive enough to believe that opening things up does not come with the risk of additional spread.

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Lantley wrote:

I trust everyone was wearing face mask during this conversation?
I'm not against relaxing the rules and opening things up for camping however I'm not naive enough to believe that opening things up does not come with the risk of additional spread.


We were outdoors and ten yards away from each other. No masks.

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dedmiston wrote:

Lantley wrote:

I trust everyone was wearing face mask during this conversation?
I'm not against relaxing the rules and opening things up for camping however I'm not naive enough to believe that opening things up does not come with the risk of additional spread.


We were outdoors and ten yards away from each other. No masks.


AS I said I'm OK with camping I think its great however it will come with additional risk.
Mosseater Wrote:
Can anybody explain how me camping 50 feet away from another family outdoors is anywhere near an considered risk?
My point was there will be interactions associated with the trip.
I'm not saying you did not practice social distancing however if there were no mask used there was a chance of droplets,aerosols and transmission.
One of the reasons mask are mandatory in retail places in MD is to eliminate droplets and aerosols.
I agree the risk was minimal, but it was certainly more than if camping were still shut down and you stayed home.
As much as I want to go camping and get things going. I do understand and accept that opening up society will increase the risk of spread. Nevertheless I accept those risk and plan to camp.
I do think we need to be mindful of all our interactions and understand the inherent risk of a simple conversation.

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