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Big Katuna

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Most airports and marinas sell e free gas. Our Race Tracs sell e free gas for boats in Fl.


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Yes, I keep gas in it all the time. Always use Sta-Bil fuel conditioner. Try to start and run it at least once a month when not in use.

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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

rrupert wrote:

2oldman wrote:

Has it been stored with gas in the carb?


And do you use ethanol-free gas? Ethanol gas is hard on small engines.


Can you still buy ethanol-free gas?

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Yes here are apps for your phone that will point to Pure Gasoline (no booze in it) and most Marinas have it.

Frankly I think the thing with E-10 is.... perhaps a bit over alarmed. I think many of the issues reported with it are older engines designed to run on e-0 to e-2 No more (E-2 is "Deicer" by the way Heet Brand Gas line antifreeze added to the tank by Standard bakck before E-5 and now e-10 became a thing.. It works).

Newer engines are designed to run on e-10 or higher (Depending on the engine) however I am not convinced of the "Benefits" of E-10 for other reasons thus I remain opposed to it.


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People make WAY TOO MUCH about how bad E10/E15 fuel is for small engines. The issue is not the ethanol in the fuel, it is how OLD the fuel is !

I use E10 all of the time. Sure, I have had carburetor problems, but it is just normal dirt in the fuel that gets stuck (typically) in the primary/idle jet causing operating RPMs to oscillate.

Simple solution. Do not stop your engine with the ignition switch, use the fuel shut off and run the carburetor dry EVERY TIME ! Don't have a fuel shut off ? INSTALL ONE !

Never leave fuel in your tank for more than about 3-6 months, even with fuel stabilizer.

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theoldwizard1 wrote:

People make WAY TOO MUCH about how bad E10/E15 fuel is for small engines. The issue is not the ethanol in the fuel, it is how OLD the fuel is !
I have just one data point which proves little or nothing by itself. Last week my chainsaw wouldn't run worth a hoot with standard mid-grade gasoline that was less than a year old. After fiddling with it for a long time I mixed up a tankful of 4 year old ethanol free gasoline. The chainsaw ran great on it.


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Watch this video

Does Fuel Stabilizer Prevent Ethanol Damage?

Skip to 9:20 to see if 1 year old E10 with and without stabilizer and 1 year old E00 with and without stabilizer will start and run a small engine.

* This post was edited 06/06/20 09:05pm by theoldwizard1 *

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Big Katuna wrote:

Most airports and marinas sell e free gas. Our Race Tracs sell e free gas for boats in Fl.


NOPE, not "everywhere".

PA, you NEED to have a legit FAA TAIL NUMBER in order to purchase "AV" fuel from an airport.

For racing fuel, you NEED to own a race car AND have a valid PIT ticket for that day..

Don't know of ANY "Marinas" selling anything other than adulterated gas with alcohol in PA..

Hate to break it to you but you have been duped to believe that you are purchasing E free fuel, Ethanol has been mixed in the fuel supply before the 1970s, in the 1970s it was touted as the savior to the gas crisis as "Gasahol" at a higher cost, didn't sell so eventually it was FORCED onto the public via EPA in the name of clean air..

The reality is Ethanol is not the problem with most engines, it is DIRT in the fuel system which clogs off the small jet passages..

Honda carb design is highly prone to clogging in the main jet, pretty much not only Honda has this problem but any Honda clone which uses the same Honda carb design..

But I highly doubt that this is the issue with the OPs gen, clogged main jet symptom is the engine will not run without the choke partially or full on.

Water in fuel bowl due to E fuel is a reality, but give the gen a good shake and the water will recombine.. Or just dumpt the fuel bowl and try again, but this does not seem to fit the OPs issue since they CAN get it to start and they CAN get it start to run their A/C but it no longer will continue to operate their A/C reliably..

They NEED to check the current draw of the A/C while running, as the A/C gets hot, it will draw higher amperage.. The shore power can support that under normal circumstances but with a gen that is sized a bit small it may not have enough ummp to continue on with a full load attached..

They also may need to try turning off EVERYTHING in the RV, converter, waterheater element, switch fridge to gas, many, many reasons as to why the gen is no longer running the A/C..

They are also talking a 12 yr old gen, silly things like AVR failure, rotor failure, shorted stator, worn out plug, weak spark and plenty more can also cause the same symptoms..

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Ethanol free gas stations


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Gdetrailer wrote:

Big Katuna wrote:

Most airports and marinas sell e free gas. Our Race Tracs sell e free gas for boats in Fl.


NOPE, not "everywhere".

PA, you NEED to have a legit FAA TAIL NUMBER in order to purchase "AV" fuel from an airport.

For racing fuel, you NEED to own a race car AND have a valid PIT ticket for that day..

Don't know of ANY "Marinas" selling anything other than adulterated gas with alcohol in PA..


In northwest PA we have ethanol-free gas at various gas stations


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Gdetrailer wrote:

Big Katuna wrote:

Most airports and marinas sell e free gas. Our Race Tracs sell e free gas for boats in Fl.


NOPE, not "everywhere".

PA, you NEED to have a legit FAA TAIL NUMBER in order to purchase "AV" fuel from an airport.

For racing fuel, you NEED to own a race car AND have a valid PIT ticket for that day..

Don't know of ANY "Marinas" selling anything other than adulterated gas with alcohol in PA..

Hate to break it to you but you have been duped to believe that you are purchasing E free fuel, Ethanol has been mixed in the fuel supply before the 1970s, in the 1970s it was touted as the savior to the gas crisis as "Gasahol" at a higher cost, didn't sell so eventually it was FORCED onto the public via EPA in the name of clean air..

The reality is Ethanol is not the problem with most engines, it is DIRT in the fuel system which clogs off the small jet passages..

Honda carb design is highly prone to clogging in the main jet, pretty much not only Honda has this problem but any Honda clone which uses the same Honda carb design..

But I highly doubt that this is the issue with the OPs gen, clogged main jet symptom is the engine will not run without the choke partially or full on.

Water in fuel bowl due to E fuel is a reality, but give the gen a good shake and the water will recombine.. Or just dumpt the fuel bowl and try again, but this does not seem to fit the OPs issue since they CAN get it to start and they CAN get it start to run their A/C but it no longer will continue to operate their A/C reliably..

They NEED to check the current draw of the A/C while running, as the A/C gets hot, it will draw higher amperage.. The shore power can support that under normal circumstances but with a gen that is sized a bit small it may not have enough ummp to continue on with a full load attached..

They also may need to try turning off EVERYTHING in the RV, converter, waterheater element, switch fridge to gas, many, many reasons as to why the gen is no longer running the A/C..

They are also talking a 12 yr old gen, silly things like AVR failure, rotor failure, shorted stator, worn out plug, weak spark and plenty more can also cause the same symptoms..


So all these places that have a big sign that says “Ethanol Free Gas” are lying?
And the airport sells gasoline in addition to Av gas. And it’s not the carb that dislikes E gas, it’s the rubber. Ethanol melts the fuel lines and diaphragms. My son has a landscaping business. They use premix e free fuel at twice the price for all their wackers and blowers. Because in the long run it’s cheaper.

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