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2112

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Posted: 07/27/20 08:25am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

ReneeG wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

This is just my opinion, but I just can't wrap by brain around pulling a 5er with a 1/2-ton, 6-cylinder (269 lb. ft. of torque) truck. Plus (and maybe this is just me) I always like to see dual rear wheels under a 5th wheel. Personally, I'd stick with a bumper pull.


Agree or get the bigger truck as mentioned.
Oh come on guys, stop fear mongering the new guy. The OP would be looking at a Scamp or Escape, 5500lb GVWR, 850lb pin, to make it work. Hardly DRW territory. There are a few that are a little heavier, but I think his 3900lb rear axle would put them out of reach. He would have to do the numbers.


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Posted: 07/27/20 08:29am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You can pull a fifth wheel with a half ton, you just have to be a little careful in terms of not getting something too large. The little lightweight ones that have been mentioned previously in this thread shouldn't be a problem even for a lighter rated half ton like OP's.


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jdonjohn wrote:

I pull a 22 ft. bumper pull wt. 3700# with a 2018 Dodge Ram 1500 4X4 3.6L gas with no problem. Will my PU handle a 24 ft. 5th wheel?

You are asking the wrong question. Length has very little to do with towing capacity. Your question should be "How heavy of a 5th wheel can I tow?" And the answer to that question would be, It depends on how your truck is optioned out.
Look inside the door panel for the placard that tells you your weight limits of your truck. Payload will be your killer for the 5th wheel. Many 1500's are technically over weight when you fill the tank and put the family in it.


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Posted: 07/27/20 09:07am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

For towing a FW, look to your RAWR, as that is where most all the pin wt will land. If truck has rear axle curb wt of 2800 lbs, now add 200 lbs more for hitch=3,000 on R/A, and RAWR is 3,900 lbs, that leaves 900 lbs for pin wt, if nothing else is added to truck wt. A 20 percent FW pin wt would mean a FW loaded wt of less than 5,000 lbs. I doubt a 24' FW will fit this description, when loaded to camp.

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Posted: 07/27/20 11:06am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

My 26' is GVWR 7880 with 880 dry pin with a single but large slide.
It will max out your payload so load the trailer not the bed of the truck.
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Posted: 07/27/20 11:23am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

2112 wrote:

ReneeG wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

This is just my opinion, but I just can't wrap by brain around pulling a 5er with a 1/2-ton, 6-cylinder (269 lb. ft. of torque) truck. Plus (and maybe this is just me) I always like to see dual rear wheels under a 5th wheel. Personally, I'd stick with a bumper pull.


Agree or get the bigger truck as mentioned.
Oh come on guys, stop fear mongering the new guy. The OP would be looking at a Scamp or Escape, 5500lb GVWR, 850lb pin, to make it work. Hardly DRW territory. There are a few that are a little heavier, but I think his 3900lb rear axle would put them out of reach. He would have to do the numbers.


Not fear mongering, just fact-presenting. Scamps and Escapes are great little 5ers -- but just try to find one (I just checked rvt.com, and not a single unit is listed for sale, and that was a nationwide search). Anything more than that I'd want at least a 3/4-ton, and (personally) a DRW, but as I mentioned before, this is just what I would do personally, and should not necessarily be construed as the opinion of the majority.


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I am not endorsing towing that much with a six cylinder truck but I will say that when my daughter went from a 3 horse bumper pull to a very similar gooseneck horse trailer she said that the gooseneck pulled better. Probably due to being closer to the cab and better protected from the wind. That trailer isn't any taller than the bumper pull though and doesn't have much more tongue weight. It looks like a bumper pull with a longer tongue and a bed over the tongue.

I absolutely would say no to a standup bedroom over the bed of the truck but the right gooseneck could be easier to pull than what you have.

For short trips on level ground you can get away with quite a bit with careful driving habits.

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Posted: 07/27/20 11:49am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Tow capacity on that truck is from 4100 to 7100 lbs at a quick search. So I will say no. Maybe he can get away with a light one if his truck is set up for towing. Otherwise , its not going to happen.


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https://www.allencampermfg.com/upload/199%20RB%20Specs%205-4-20.pdf
This is a 4550 gvwr 5th wheel that will work with the small v-6. OP disregard those that say a 1/2 ton truck can't safely tow a 5th wheel trailer. All 1/2 ton trucks are not all the same in fact they have a broader range of gvwrs/RAWRs than any other truck on the market.
Hell we've had 1/2 ton trucks with GVWRS into the 8000 lb range and 4800-6000 rawr and are built to pull GN and 5th wheel trailers.
More than likely your 1500 Ram has a small side of a 6xxx lb gvwr and 3900 rawr....so naturally it requires one of the smaller 5th wheel trailers.
Most folks with 1/2 ton trucks and a low hp engine go with a TT.


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I think people are missing that he said it was a TWENTY FOUR (24) foot 5th wheel.

Depending on the payload of the truck, there is a good chance a 24ft 5th wheel is within the weight ratings of a 1/2 ton truck (always need to verify though).

Now the real question is, why?
- Bumper pulls keep the truck bed available to carry stuff.
- Larger 5th wheels have huge basements that make up for lose bed space.

Small 5th wheels sacrifice bed space but have minimal basement space...kind of the worst of both worlds. While 5th wheels tow a little better, bumper pulls shouldn't be a big concern towing, particularly with smaller trailers.


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