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LIKE2BUILD

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Prior to a recent vacation I had new tires (5.3 X 12) installed on our jet ski trailer. I didn't know the age of the old tires and didn't want to risk a blow out on the road. About 150 miles into our 650 mile trip one of the tires exploded spectacularly but thankfully we got the vehicle slowed quickly and there was no damage. I looked all over the tread and found no signs of punctures, cuts, or imbedded objects that would have caused the tire to rapidly lose air. The outer side wall had completely separated from the tire right at the edge of the tread.

As I started to remove the blown tire I was baffled to see an inner tube wrapped around the axle [emoticon] [emoticon] "Wait, didn't I purchase tubeless tires? Sure enough I did.... It read TUBELESS right there on the side wall. After swapping the spare I realized all 3 had inner tube valve stems, not tubeless.

As I drove to the nearest town to get a replacementI called the shop that installed them and told them I had a blow out. Their first response was I ran over something which I had confirmed was incorrect. When I asked why I found a tube in the tire he started to spew malarkey about them using tubes when the tire won't seat on the bead so I must have a bad wheel. I then asked how that's possible when I brought them 3 wheels that were all mounted tubeless and those tire were holding air just fine. [emoticon]

The two jet skis plus trailer weighs about 1,700 lbs and these tires are rated for 1,050lbs each. I know they were at max cold pressure prior to leaving so the issue isn't overloading. The only issue would be the friction from tubes inside a tubeless tire. When I returned from vacation I went back to the shop and demanded they refund me for the two tires that were on the ground and to dismount the spare and remount it tubeless. They tried to give me the runaround saying they put tubes in those tires all the time but eventually agreed to my demand. Oh, and the tire they remounted miraculously went on the bead just fine so that story about my wheels must have bad spots didn't hold water.

My guess is the tire tech was lazy and just threw inner tubes in them so he didn't have to bother cleaning the bead on the wheel. These were cheap Chinese made tires, but I had used this brand for years without issue. Of course this could have been the one bad tire in the bunch, but I'm 99% convinced the main issue was the heat generated from the tube inside the tubeless tire.

When searching the topic I found many references warning not to do this. Here is one reference, and another article, and yet another reference. If this were a lawn mower or other low speed tire I would have no problem with a tube, but not a highway tire. I've used this shop for a long time for my trailer tires but this will be the last time. If they are silly enough to do this I don't want to run the risk of what else they may do.

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Are your wheels made for tubeless tires?

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Name of shop so they can be avoided?

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jdc1 wrote:

Are your wheels made for tubeless tires?

Yes, the wheels are for tubeless tires.

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guidry wrote:

Name of shop so they can be avoided?

It's a regional shop with stores in Illinois and Indiana. I don't know if this is a common practice among all locations so I don't want to bash them online and I don't even want to drag my local shop through the mud.

The main thing really is buyer beware by making sure they're mounted properly. Obviously if you go to a tire shop, you should assume and expect they know what they're doing and you can leave with confidence. I would have never given one thought to them having installed tubes and when I checked air pressures the different valve stem didn't register with me. You can bet from now on I'll be giving a very close look at the tires whenever I have any work done. A buyer shouldn't have to double check the work of a tire shop, but now that changes for me.

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guidry wrote:

Name of shop so they can be avoided?


In case you're driving through IL from cajun texas and happen to need tires?
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Edit, oops OP explained already.

Tire shops no different than ANY other business. If you don't verify the service or product provided (not saying I or anyone else doesn't trust and not verify sometimes), you stand to be disappointed sometimes.
But that was ignorant to put tubes in those tires. Although one would think a savvy shop would charge for the tubes since considerably more expensive than just a mount n balance.
Maybe the same tire guy that argued with me that trailer wheels don't need to be balanced like car wheels.....cause you cant feel them when driving!


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How old were the tires that blew? (Check the date of your "new" ones)
Always check the DOT dates and demand tires that are less than a year old!
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That is a weird policy. Did they really save any time messing around with a tube plus the additional cost to them. Almost seems like they are covering their tracks for a improper install stating it was policy.

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WNYBob wrote:

How old were the tires that blew? (Check the date of your "new" ones)
Always check the DOT dates and demand tires that are less than a year old!
WNYBZOB

Not sure. I dropped them off for new tires and picked them up later. They had to order the tires from the main warehouse but that also doesn't guarantee 'freshness'.

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mich800 wrote:

That is a weird policy. Did they really save any time messing around with a tube plus the additional cost to them. Almost seems like they are covering their tracks for a improper install stating it was policy.

Yeah, pretty much nothing they said did not make sense. The fact that they put inner tubes in tubeless tires "all the time" doesn't add up. You have a wheels and tires designed to be tubeless for very specific engineering reasons and slapping a tube in there because the tire 'won't seat on the bead' is inexecusable. If the tire won't seal you either have a bad tire, a bad wheel, or poor installation technique. Either way, you don't throw an inner tube bandaid on it, you fix the problem and install the tire properly.

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