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mkirsch

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Posted: 10/07/20 10:02am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

When I bought mine, I paid cash, asked no questions, gave no answers. I don't think we even exchanged names.

Of course the camper was 10 years old, a low end Palomino, and I only paid $2000 or thereabouts. In the unlikely event someone came looking for it I figured I wouldn't be out much.


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Posted: 10/07/20 03:58pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

ranholago wrote:

My camper does not have a VIN, just a 5 or 6 digit number from the Lance factory.


That is the VIN.

If your camper were to get stolen that's the number they would use to identify it and if you titled it that the number they would use.


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Posted: 10/07/20 04:38pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

hmmmm not according to the state of California!

When I went to DMV they said Nope that was not a VIN.
I had a trailer made by Ziemann Corp. with a stamped VIN on the trailer,(it was 6 digits long they said NO, DMV rejected it and I had to go to CHP to verify and assign a VIN for that trailer.
Campers are not register no VIN

I agree that the number assigned by Lance would be an identifier, but it is not a vehicle, it doesn't not have a VIN. The number is not registered/entered in any data bank that I am aware of, that would be accessible by LEO. I would love to stand corrected on that point, I look at it like if you wrote the serial number for your television down and it was stolen, you would have an identifier, You could give that number to the police when you reported it stolen, as far as I can see that's about it.
On my Lance the number is "embossed" on a foil type sticker, and looks to me, could be removed pretty easily, if stolen, or if you had a "reason" to remove it. I don't believe the Lance I had before this one even had that number displayed any where on the camper, didn't even know it had a number, until I got the newer (vintage) camper and it was in the paper work that came with the camper
When you think of VIN you know exactly what and where the VIN is on your vehicle, trailer etc. there is no confusion, if its missing or defaced, you automatically know something is wrong, and any LEO that became aware of a missing VIN on any vehicle would raise red flags.
So I say the Number from Lance is a identifier, primarily for use by Lance, it is not a VIN

* This post was edited 10/07/20 05:00pm by ranholago *

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Posted: 10/07/20 05:04pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

That's California,in Idaho they had no problem registering my Lance and my Zeiman atv trailer...Titled the Lance off the placard in the closet..The Zeiman only needed and has plates.


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Posted: 10/07/20 06:03pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

CA doesn't register TC, so what this is about?





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Posted: 10/07/20 08:56pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

According to my wife a former banker, there may be a paper trail for non registered/non titled campers out there, depending on how it was bought.
Cash deals- it's just personal property.
If it was sold with a secured loan the camper would have a UCC lien that is then filed with the state (this is from a few years ago, when we lived in CA). Of course the lender just could have made it an unsecured personal loan, in which case its pretty much the same as cash.

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Posted: 10/07/20 09:46pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

ranholago wrote:

hmmmm not according to the state of California!


VIN - serial number???

I filed the paperwork and titled my 1995 Lance camper here in Utah and that 5 digit number is the VIN on the title.

So I'm going with it being the VIN.

Even though it not a "vehicle".

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Posted: 10/07/20 09:56pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Unless you live in CA, it doesn’t matter what CA thinks. Serial number is close enough to a VIN for most of us.


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Posted: 10/07/20 10:06pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

specta wrote:

ranholago wrote:

My camper does not have a VIN, just a 5 or 6 digit number from the Lance factory.


That is the VIN.

If your camper were to get stolen that's the number they would use to identify it and if you titled it that the number they would use.


No, the Lance I'm looking at has a serial number...this is NOT a VIN, however.

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Posted: 10/08/20 05:29am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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It doesn't really matter what you want to call it does it?

Here's the title to my 1995 945 Lance camper.

According to the title that the 5-digit number IS the VIN.

Call it what you want. Utah recognizes it as the VIN.

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