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Terryallan

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Posted: 10/24/20 09:32am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

MitchF150 wrote:

Please show me your work on that math that I am 3,000 over weight on my combo Terry?

I do include the TW of the trailer on the trucks payload too.... I've been around the block a few times and here longer than you have been... ha, ha... Mitch


remember. I said if you load both to max. And IF your 11,300 is the GCVWR. Which I admit seems pretty low. I could have read it wrong. If it is not. Then my figures are wrong. I been wrong before.


Your truck if loaded to max is 7700lb. your trailer if loaded to max is 7000lb. that is 14,700lbs. Your max GCVWR, is 11,300. According to you post. Unless I miss read it.
So together your TT and TV weigh in at 14,700lb subtract the GCVWR of 11,300 from that, and you have 3,400lb that the truck is over the GCVWR. Like i said. If that is not the GCVWR. Then my figures are not correct.


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Groover wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

That drivetrain is bulletproof and will rip the hitch off of most any TT. It’ll have similar power to all the new 3/4 ton gassers.
Only downfall IMO is the relatively compliant rear coil spring suspension which can be overcome with an appropriate wdh and/or a set of airbags.
I’ve hooked some heavier trailers to a rental Ram 1500. (I’m in construction, so “weights “ are relative. If it ain’t on the bump stops it’s good enough).
The rear is a little squishy-er than leaf spring “normal” half tons. Not including the heavy payload F150.

I wouldn’t blink an eye at an 8000lb TT.


The OP said that he has every available towing option but I don't see where he said one way or the other on coil springs vs airbags. If he has airbags that might solve the squishy problem.


Good point. Idk what the 4 way air is good for payload wise but would presume it would level up about any TT with a wdh, at a minimum.


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mr61impala wrote:

APT wrote:

The general feedback for people towing over 8000 pounds loaded with half tons is not positive. How much is your as equipped payload and receiver rating? 8000 pounds loaded means 1000-1200 pounds of tongue weight. How much stuff/people do you put in the vehicle when towing? That Tire and Loading sticker will likely be your limit well under 11,000 pounds for a TT.


Just the two of us in the truck and we have always packed with weight in mind.

This truck came from the factory with a class 4 hitch which I believe is rated up to #10,000.

The larger trailers under consideration have the following specs:

1). UVW of #7050 and hitch weight of #710,

2), UVW of #6500 and hitch weight of #735.


It would do fine with either of those trailers.

If you have too much squat that is easily remedied without feeling like you are overtaxing the rest of the truck, as Grit Dog mentioned.

EDIT: just realized this says UVW, I read GVW. Bigger than I thought, so it will really depend on how loaded up the trailers are when you are "ready to camp".


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Terryallan wrote:

MitchF150 wrote:

Please show me your work on that math that I am 3,000 over weight on my combo Terry?

I do include the TW of the trailer on the trucks payload too.... I've been around the block a few times and here longer than you have been... ha, ha... Mitch


remember. I said if you load both to max. And IF your 11,300 is the GCVWR. Which I admit seems pretty low. I could have read it wrong. If it is not. Then my figures are wrong. I been wrong before.


Your truck if loaded to max is 7700lb. your trailer if loaded to max is 7000lb. that is 14,700lbs. Your max GCVWR, is 11,300. According to you post. Unless I miss read it.
So together your TT and TV weigh in at 14,700lb subtract the GCVWR of 11,300 from that, and you have 3,400lb that the truck is over the GCVWR. Like i said. If that is not the GCVWR. Then my figures are not correct.


Terry...you did take the numbers wrong. I looked at the same truck as Mitch has back in 13, so very familiar with the numbers. The tow capacity is 11,300, and the GCVWR S/B 17,000+. I did buy a new 250 instead, but the 150 with max tow and 3.5 Eco is a very stout truck, with lots of upgrades for HD towing.

I was wrong once myself, though! No harm.

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MFL wrote:

Terryallan wrote:

MitchF150 wrote:

Please show me your work on that math that I am 3,000 over weight on my combo Terry?

I do include the TW of the trailer on the trucks payload too.... I've been around the block a few times and here longer than you have been... ha, ha... Mitch


remember. I said if you load both to max. And IF your 11,300 is the GCVWR. Which I admit seems pretty low. I could have read it wrong. If it is not. Then my figures are wrong. I been wrong before.


Your truck if loaded to max is 7700lb. your trailer if loaded to max is 7000lb. that is 14,700lbs. Your max GCVWR, is 11,300. According to you post. Unless I miss read it.
So together your TT and TV weigh in at 14,700lb subtract the GCVWR of 11,300 from that, and you have 3,400lb that the truck is over the GCVWR. Like i said. If that is not the GCVWR. Then my figures are not correct.


Terry...you did take the numbers wrong. I looked at the same truck as Mitch has back in 13, so very familiar with the numbers. The tow capacity is 11,300, and the GCVWR S/B 17,000+. I did buy a new 250 instead, but the 150 with max tow and 3.5 Eco is a very stout truck, with lots of upgrades for HD towing.

I was wrong once myself, though! No harm.

Jerry


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Published truck capacity is one thing. Engine performance is another.

Lotsa discussion about half ton trucks towing at capacity. My concern would be engine performance. I’ve been loaded heavy in a Dodge 2500, gas 5.7l, doing 25 mph in the right lane, engine “screaming”, getting passed by 18-wheelers doing 35. On the hills, I-80 in WY.

There is no substitute for power. 7000# and up trailer, I’ll take the diesel. Cruise control set 65-70, long hills on I-15, UT, and watch it run.

JMHO.

PS My next truck will be a 3500 4x4 Ram Cummins [emoticon]


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Posted: 10/25/20 06:07pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

richclover wrote:

Published truck capacity is one thing. Engine performance is another.

Lotsa discussion about half ton trucks towing at capacity. My concern would be engine performance. I’ve been loaded heavy in a Dodge 2500, gas 5.7l, doing 25 mph in the right lane, engine “screaming”, getting passed by 18-wheelers doing 35. On the hills, I-80 in WY.

There is no substitute for power. 7000# and up trailer, I’ll take the diesel. Cruise control set 65-70, long hills on I-15, UT, and watch it run.

JMHO.

PS My next truck will be a 3500 4x4 Ram Cummins [emoticon]
If you had the 1500 with same engine you would be 1000/1500 lighter and would be keeping up with the loaded semis.


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time2roll wrote:

richclover wrote:

Published truck capacity is one thing. Engine performance is another.

Lotsa discussion about half ton trucks towing at capacity. My concern would be engine performance. I’ve been loaded heavy in a Dodge 2500, gas 5.7l, doing 25 mph in the right lane, engine “screaming”, getting passed by 18-wheelers doing 35. On the hills, I-80 in WY.

There is no substitute for power. 7000# and up trailer, I’ll take the diesel. Cruise control set 65-70, long hills on I-15, UT, and watch it run.

JMHO.

PS My next truck will be a 3500 4x4 Ram Cummins [emoticon]
If you had the 1500 with same engine you would be 1000/1500 lighter and would be keeping up with the loaded semis.


Doing 35...

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Posted: 10/25/20 06:41pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Time is money with a semi and they seem to be OK with going slower up the hills. Why are we constantly in such a rush as an RV traveller....

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time2roll wrote:

Time is money with a semi and they seem to be OK with going slower up the hills. Why are we constantly in such a rush as an RV traveller....


Somehow over the course of the past decade or so. People seem to have equated towing capacity as the ability to maintain the speed limit over every hill/mountain imaginable. With the ability of going 0-60 in under 10 seconds. And let's not forget to ignore the dyno chart of the engines. Because even though it says maximum hp at 4,500 rpm you better never reach those revs.

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