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Cummins12V98

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Posted: 06/27/21 07:03pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Bottom line is filtration or lack of it caused many third gen injector issues, it had nothing to do with additives or not.

I see no reason to use additives plane and simple. Is that clear enough.


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Posted: 06/28/21 06:15am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Bottom line is filtration or lack of it caused many third gen injector issues, it had nothing to do with additives or not.

I see no reason to use additives plane and simple. Is that clear enough.


I don't think you understand what filters and additives do. While both improve the quality of fuel, they do it in different ways that aren't linked to each other.

Filters improve fuel quality by keeping contaminants like dirt, water, and air from going to your engine. Additives improve how the fuel combusts, add lubricity, and have detergents to clean carbon from the combustion process. There are some water emulsifier/demulsifier additives that either contain or separate water from/in the fuel, but they still do not filter it out.

So you see they do two different things and someone saying that they don't need additives because of their filters is just as silly as saying they don't need filters because of their additives. Hence the reason why I questioned why you brought up filters in a discussion about additives since they don't do the same thing.

Now if you would have said that you don't need additional additives on top of what the fuel supplier adds because you ensure that you always get top-quality fuel with a cetane rating for optimal engine efficiency/performance and has carbon removal detergents with enough lubricity. Then I can see that as a valid reason for saying that you do not need to use additives.

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How many injector non additive failures are there? I am on the TurboDiesel Register and i have never heard of one. Now poor filtration does cause failures.

Some additives may help but they certainly are not needed.

AMZ/OIL sells Cetane Boost and Fuel conditioner. Anyone on here knows I am an AMZ/OIL fan but I don't use those products. Not saying they don't do a good job but for the money spent and return on the dollar not worth it IMHO.

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When I Googled: (bosch HPFP failures), I got 12,800 hits, maybe your Google doesn't work. [emoticon]





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Cummins12V98 wrote:

How many injector non additive failures are there? I am on the TurboDiesel Register and i have never heard of one. Now poor filtration does cause failures.

Some additives may help but they certainly are not needed.

AMZ/OIL sells Cetane Boost and Fuel conditioner. Anyone on here knows I am an AMZ/OIL fan but I don't use those products. Not saying they don't do a good job but for the money spent and return on the dollar not worth it IMHO.


You are not understanding my question. I am not questioning whether you think that you need additives. That is your opinion which you are entitled to have.

My question was asking why you brought up filters and what they have to do with additives? As far as I know, filters and additives do two different things to the fuel so I was a bit puzzled as to why they were brought up as a reason not to need/use additives.

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They have nothing to do with additives.

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Did a quick google search and didnt see the quick answer i hoped for.

The diesel pump doesnt list the cetane rating, correct?
Would be nice to know if my local stations have different ratings.

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I run some Diesel Kleen through my Cummins from time to time... when I get bored.


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Learjet wrote:

I run some Diesel Kleen through my Cummins from time to time... when I get bored.


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wopachop wrote:

Did a quick google search and didnt see the quick answer i hoped for.

The diesel pump doesnt list the cetane rating, correct?
Would be nice to know if my local stations have different ratings.


I don't remember seeing any cetane labels on any pump I have used, even at the big truck stops. I have also asked a few times what the rating is and get a blank look from the attendant.
I believe that diesel engine manufacturers recommend a 45 rating for efficient running. But any info from fuel providers indicates a lower rating unless the fuel is "premium", whatever that means. I believe the US standard is 40 cetane but not sure.

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