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JRscooby

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ol Bombero-JC wrote:

jdc1 wrote:

Imagine what kind of employees you get for $7.25/hour. Yes, that's Indiana's minimum wage.


Are all RV assembly workers paid an hourly wage?

Thought -at least some- were "piece workers".

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I have worked piece work all my life. Most times, with that kind of pay structure, if the quality of the product is below standard, you do it again for no more money. Just trumping here, but I imagine management gets a bonus for higher rate of production. This would cause a rush to put them out the door, quality could suffer.
As for the dealers, for at least a decade they have been selling RVs with quality issues, then making money when manufacture pays for building the unit to acceptable standards. If people where not willing to buy, then be without both money and RV while repairs are made they would of been shipping them back. Nobody will build something that will not sell. And, if people are willing to buy junk, there is no reason to build better.

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From Reuters 4 Years Ago

Like JC observed, many assembly workers are paid a low hourly wage. The "piece rate" or production incentive likely explains the fine craftsmanship, in addition to high employee turnover.

The RV industry is the manufacturing equivalent of migrant farm workers or the hospitality industry down here in Central Florida.

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way2roll wrote:

You get what you pay for. This is applicable to employees as well. All relative though, you pay more for employees then you pay more for the end product.


Nope.

That is not how that works.

My now former company paid twice the minimum wage for entry level assemblers for a high tech robotics system..

What we got was druggies, drunks, no shows, random call offs because they were hungover from partying all night.. A few of them managed to skirt around attendance points system for 5 yrs or a bit more.. Once a half a point rolled off they were back at calling off..

There work ethic was the pits, delivered sloppy and incomplete work and had the lowest daily production numbers..

Just because you pay more for labor, does not always turn into "better" labor and products.

So, if a RV manufacturer paid twice as much wage, they WILL have to raise the price of your new RV by twice as much to cover the added labor expense.

RV manufacturers just like any other business must take into consideration the entire cost of the employee.

Doubling the wage, means the employer pays double their part of SS, plus means any 401K matches must increase and any other benefit costs that the company incurs for each employee.

Now, if every business must increase the wage, that means everyone will in the end pay more for all goods and services which in the end results in eating up every penny of that increase.

So, would you be willing to pay $50K for a RV that used to cost $25K with the exact same level of current quality? That is what in fact you and many others are proposing.

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The problem is that there is no established standard of quality. It's a "put out the cheapest product for the best profit" industry.

With vehicles, things changed for multiple reasons in the 70s, most importantly, imports and legislation. These turned the auto industry on its axis. They could no lobger produce garbage.

For RVs, there is no real competition and no legislation for safety/quality standards. And auto lemon laws rarely apply to RVs. So, there is no reason for them to change. If you buy an RV today, and it falls apart in 3 years, you just go out and buy a new RV. The manufacturers aren't held accountable.

I think a few class action lawsuits against the RV nanufacturers might help change things. Especially if those lawsuits involve safety issues (like water tanks falling off, etc).

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As long as the RV manufacturers continue to pay "piece work" the employees will continue to produce shoddy products.

And, no, the prices of RVs will not double if employees get paid in a different manner, as someone suggested. Labor is only one component of the price of an RV. As the 4-year-old Reuters article indicated, some RV workers were making $60K a year back then, which wasn't bad for Indiana.





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gbopp wrote:

I commented on RV quality several years ago. We went to the Hershey RV Show, I was surprised at the junk & shoddy workmanship the factory/dealers sent to a major show.
Things were missing, broke, loose and didn't fit properly.

We need someone to show us how to build RV's, like Japan showed us how to build cars in the 70's.


Not that it matters - but the RV *dealers* pay to display their products.
In the case of Pomona (CA) RV show - there may be several dealers in the immediate So.CA area selling the same brand of RV. Only *one* for a given brand gets the go ahead, based on the fee paid to the show sponsor. (And offer "supposed" *show specials*).

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I call that the “Wally World Effect”.

People buy based on low price then complain about the ‘junk’ the manufacturers are producing.

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Take a quick look at RVs and you will quickly see that poor construction is only part of the issue. Materials and parts are often poor. Design and engineering are typically very bad.

I equate the RV industry to the American auto industry of the 50s and 60s. It took some serious foreign competition to shake up the industry. Even now American makers continue to struggle with quality; e.g., for Ford quality is still "job one". Considering the high prices and poor quality, the door is open for foreign competition.

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Gdetrailer wrote:

way2roll wrote:

You get what you pay for. This is applicable to employees as well. All relative though, you pay more for employees then you pay more for the end product.


Nope.

That is not how that works.






So, if a RV manufacturer paid twice as much wage, they WILL have to raise the price of your new RV by twice as much to cover the added labor expense.

RV manufacturers just like any other business must take into consideration the entire cost of the employee.

Doubling the wage, means the employer pays double their part of SS, plus means any 401K matches must increase and any other benefit costs that the company incurs for each employee.

Now, if every business must increase the wage, that means everyone will in the end pay more for all goods and services which in the end results in eating up every penny of that increase.

So, would you be willing to pay $50K for a RV that used to cost $25K with the exact same level of current quality? That is what in fact you and many others are proposing.


So you say what I said is not how it works and then went on to explain exactly what I just said. ??


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Posted: 09/13/21 06:46am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

RV trailers are a spin off of the house trailer industry. Some house trailer brands ran both down the same assy line.
Not all house trailers or rv trailers are cheaply made as their are units out here with much better built in quality....and yes those mfg pay more than the state minimum wages.

The house trailer mfg I worked for had assy areas that did piece work and other areas were hourly paid (state minimum wages). Those workers doing piece work were paid the same wage but they did get to go home early when when they got all their daily work done.
This industries products simply doesn't compare with aircraft work/robotics systems/auto industry or any mfg industry where quality is enforced.

Expecting this kind of quality won't happen with workers paid the minimum wage and the mfg wants quantity before quality.


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