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vtraudt

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Posted: 09/14/21 11:18am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I think the market is ripe for a 'disrupter'. Maybe foreign builders need to enter the market to wake up the "Indiana RV Maffia"

"One West Coast dealer echoed those thoughts. “My greatest fear now is watching the motorized RV industry get toppled,” he said. “They just don’t have the expertise to complete a motorhome in Northern Indiana anymore. Their labor force has no eye for quality and they have no way of teaching it. The industry is ripe for someone else to step in and start producing quality products, but it will likely have to be someplace other than Indiana. Right now, if the workers there get
upset by something, they just walk off because it’s easy to get a job in Elkhart right now.”

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Posted: 09/14/21 11:55am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I wasn't taught to blame workers or soldiers...mostly kids. I was taught that not completing successfully a task was a lack of leadership.


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Posted: 09/14/21 01:19pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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Oh great, yet another sniveling, whining post over poor quality of RVs due to lack of or cheaply paid employees on this forum..

There is already a thread established with the same link I believe HERE

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RV build quality isn't just a worker issue.

In boom times (like we're currently experiencing), most RV manufacturers aren't particularly concerned about the quality of their products. There are plenty of first-time RV buyers who aren't knowledgeable or experienced about what makes a quality product, and they're more likely to accept shoddy quality when inventory is scarce.

As the automotive industry already knows, there are ways of designing products that make their assembled quality largely independent of the quality of the people doing the assembling.

However, doing so usually requires a heavy investment in R&D, specialized tooling, etc. - Things your typical RV manufacturer isn't interested in paying for.

Right now, for most of them, cheap and shoddy is good enough.

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Here is my sniveling and whining. I bought a new Kubota tractor with loader and backhoe on May 3. The basic tractor is made in Japan, the remainder is made in Georgia, guess which parts are made wrong and assembled wrong. This is Sept. 19th and the thing is still not right and Kubota has no clue on how it should be fixed. They refuse to refund the money and I may need to get some assistance in the matter. It certainly appears that we have lost so much and many do not deserve a job. My point is that it ain't just the RV industry, even higher end products are having issues.





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Market forces will take care of everything. Patience must be exercised.

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Don’t blame the line workers, blame the management for not doing a proper job of inspecting the work product at each step of the process. Most RV’s are built by hand unlike the modern automotive industry which uses a lot of robots and other automated processes. Ours was built missing a rear window, was missing floor heat register, the Dura Shield on the front had to be replaced twice as it came from the factory looking like bubble wrap. Yes the workers may have made an error, but obvious stuff should have been caught. What really frost my buttocks though is the crappy furniture and appliances that go into these things.


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RV's are essentially hand built with no continuity. It costs money to build with quality, and consumers have not been willing to spend the money.

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philh wrote:

RV's are essentially hand built with no continuity. It costs money to build with quality, and consumers have not been willing to spend the money.

I don't think that is quite true. Japan took the automotive industry by storm way back when. Japanese imports were not necessarily cheaper than American made they were just better quality.
Americans made their purchases based on quality not price.


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wildtoad wrote:

Don’t blame the line workers, blame the management for not doing a proper job of inspecting the work product at each step of the process. Most RV’s are built by hand unlike the modern automotive industry which uses a lot of robots and other automated processes. Ours was built missing a rear window, was missing floor heat register, the Dura Shield on the front had to be replaced twice as it came from the factory looking like bubble wrap. Yes the workers may have made an error, but obvious stuff should have been caught. What really frost my buttocks though is the crappy furniture and appliances that go into these things.


I agree. Workers may make mistakes or be careless. They may miss a screw or forget to glue something, etc, but when an RV goes out missing an actual window? That is the company as a whole not giving a [email protected] That is not because the workers are incompetent or not paid enough. That is because management and above don't care.


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