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time2roll

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Posted: 10/30/21 06:38pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I thought siping was to help traction mostly on ice maybe some on snow. Considering the vehicle and stated driving pattern I would not sipe the tires.


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Bruce Brown wrote:

$113 each or total???

Total.

OP updated accordingly.

You're a mod. Do you have any idea why I couldn't shrink the Michelin photo without stretching it wide? Something in the HTML code the system doesn't agree with, perhaps?


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So, you buy tires that were carefully researched and developed by the manufacterer and someone at a tire shop recommends they make a bunch of slashes in the tire to make it work better...

If the tire isn't performing to standards, get new tires.


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toedtoes wrote:

So, you buy tires that were carefully researched and developed by the manufacterer and someone at a tire shop recommends they make a bunch of slashes in the tire to make it work better...

If the tire isn't performing to standards, get new tires.

Respectfully, you missed the point. No one said the tire isn't performing to standards.

It's all in the OP.

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When I first saw the link about tire siping the first thing that popped in my head was Schwawb. They were (still?) heavily into that. Any more I tend to avoid them for more than one reason. Used to be a good place.

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RedRollingRoadblock wrote:

When I first saw the link about tire siping the first thing that popped in my head was Schwawb. They were (still?) heavily into that. Any more I tend to avoid them for more than one reason. Used to be a good place.

Yeah. My family began using them in the late '70s, I believe it was.

Les died. It was still ok for awhile and then the kids eventually sold out.

I looked far and wide around here for someone who could source the Yokohamas, but to no avail.

That said, I think my local shop is still good. Most of the local truckers still go there and seem really happy.

What's funny is... when I set up the appointment, they didn't offer the siping. Per the OP, it was the photo of the Michelin that even sparked the memory that they used to "offer" / "upsell?" that service. I meant to look into it before the install, but an emergency sped up the process in a big way.

In fact... the tech talked me out of balancing the drives in place of their much cheaper liquid stuff they use for all the truckers. He came across as a real honest young man. Well... he's probably in his mid 30s and has a family... but I'm getting to the age where most men seem young.

I heard about his family when he told me the story of how he almost bought the farm. With the benefit of experience, he now has all air ride rig owners dump the air first. Said a couple of kids from up north were crushed from leaking air that way. Doesn't sound like a good way to go.

They mounted them about a month ago and I called them today to ask if they still even do the siping

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KendallP wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

So, you buy tires that were carefully researched and developed by the manufacterer and someone at a tire shop recommends they make a bunch of slashes in the tire to make it work better...

If the tire isn't performing to standards, get new tires.

Respectfully, you missed the point. No one said the tire isn't performing to standards.

It's all in the OP.


I'm not missing the point. I just don't see why anyone would consider this.

If the tires are appropriate and satisfactory for the vehicle/conditions, then siping the tires is a waste of money or could reduce performance or life of the tire.

If the tires are aging out, then siping them will not reduce their chance of failure, and may potentially increase that chance. That's like putting two bullets in the gun instead of one for a game of Russian Roulette.

If the tires are not appropriate or satisfactory for the vehicle/conditions, then siping will not make them suddenly appropriate or satisfactory. The only solution for that is to replace them with different tires.

If the Michelin tires are siped by the manufacturer, then I would contact them and ask why they need to sipe them before making a decision. If they are siped aftermarket but before purchase, then I would not buy from that shop.

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KendallP wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

So, you buy tires that were carefully researched and developed by the manufacterer and someone at a tire shop recommends they make a bunch of slashes in the tire to make it work better...

If the tire isn't performing to standards, get new tires.

Respectfully, you missed the point. No one said the tire isn't performing to standards.

It's all in the OP.


Got to agree with toedtoes on this one.

Unless you are aware of a design defect that siping corrects, they would have siped them at the factory if it was needed.


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x3.

I agree with Toedtoes and valhalla.

But re-reading your OP for the second or third time, my impression is you're looking for validation for a decision you've already made. If so, just do it. No need to explain to us the decision.

Curious how an aftermarket business who does the siping (Les Schwab) can be held to the original manufacturer's (Michelin's). If you get them to agree, kudo's to you.

Good luck with your decision.

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Read this on a google search: "In most states, tire siping is illegal. This process modifies a footprint approved by the Department of Transportation, which will void its highway usability. Added slits will shorten the service life and hinder its performance, even if they increase traction."


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