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Posted: 12/04/21 05:43am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

has anyone seen one of these in person or used one before? converts a bumper hitch to gooseneck with a bolt on GK hitch. looks like a clean way to go..... imo it does anyway. i have been considering this as i seem to get caught in the wind on 90% of my trips.

https://www.bpconversions.com/

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Posted: 12/04/21 06:07am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I would be concerned about insufficient hitch weight.
- A 5th wheel/gooseneck typically has a 20-25% of the trailer on the hitch and this represents a big part of why they tow so well.
- A bumper pull is typically 10-15%. Being too light is often the cause of sway.

By moving the hitch point further forward, it will reduce the percentage hitch weight.

If you are looking at trailers, just go to a 5th wheel if you want one.
If you are trying to fix an existing trailer towing problem, get to the scales and see if you are light on the hitch and if so, move weight forward.


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Posted: 12/04/21 10:00am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Well that looks like a plausible option for big bp toy haulers. If it’s as solid as an actual factory gn hitch.
Agree. Not well suited to campers with lower % of tongue weight. But plenty of very heavy tw THs out there.

Better gadget than the TC drop axle we saw on here not too long ago.
Seems like it’s bolt on not welded. My biggest concern is how to get a fully moment resistant connection that also has zero slop in it. Now or after many miles.
And of course cost. Didn’t see that advertised….


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@valhalla, you think this is marketed as a solution for too little tongue weight? Seems counterintuitive to me …

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Posted: 12/04/21 03:23pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

valhalla360 wrote:

I would be concerned about insufficient hitch weight.
- A 5th wheel/gooseneck typically has a 20-25% of the trailer on the hitch and this represents a big part of why they tow so well.
- A bumper pull is typically 10-15%. Being too light is often the cause of sway.

By moving the hitch point further forward, it will reduce the percentage hitch weight.

If you are looking at trailers, just go to a 5th wheel if you want one.
If you are trying to fix an existing trailer towing problem, get to the scales and see if you are light on the hitch and if so, move weight forward.
If a 5th should sway, it has little effect on the TV In fact unless you are watching it it the mirror, you probably would not know it. This is because a 5th wheels pin is centered over the rear axle. A bumper pull sits on the ball quite a ways behind the rear axle. So a TT has a lot of leverage to exert force on the TV,,, and as the driver makes steering corrections, the ball goes left or right, sending the TT in the wrong direction, which necessitates another steering correction and on and on. It is a wonder that TTs tow well at all.
I think that the heavier pin weight of a 5th wheel plays a minor role in how well they tow.



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Posted: 12/04/21 04:53pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Very true, to an extent anyway. I have read of people who complain about how their toyhauler tows when the pin weight gets too low. One guy on here took his back to the factory because the he said it was basically undriveable when he had toys loaded due to a very light pin weight. So too light of a pin can adversely affect a fifth wheel. But I don't believe it is as critical as a bumper pull.


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Posted: 12/04/21 07:48pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I haven't seen that brand but the conversion is a old idea from the late '60s/'70s around here anywayz.
My cousin has one that was mfg in KS on his 23' tandem axle TT. In fact he still has it sitting behind the barn used as a horse tack shed.

He pulled it for years with a 1/2 ton Ford.


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Posted: 12/04/21 07:50pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

No, but I just seen this in Mitchell, South Dakota, on the way to Thanksgiving.

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Posted: 12/05/21 12:08pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

This looks like the one my cousin has. The converters frame goes all the way under the trailers main frame rails like the picture taken in South Dakota. The thing is big and massive.

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Posted: 12/05/21 06:19pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

That pic from Jackathan makes sense for this contraption. But other than that, anyone using this for the so called stability most likely doesn't have his WD hitch set-up properly. My non-professional guess is that probably 80%-90% of all WD hitches I see (on the road or at a campground) does not have their WD hitch set-up correctly.

We all have opinions. I have had three TTs and two 44' fifth wheels and all my TTs pulled just as stable as my fifth wheels. But my Equalizers were set-up like they should and towing with them was a breeze.

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