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3 tons

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Posted: 12/08/21 04:24pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Well, I certainly wouldn’t rule anything out - this is why an ‘objective’ dialogue concerning the merits of CO2 should be embraced rather than shunned-away as “it’s a settled science” (how so??) nonsense…

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Posted: 12/08/21 05:08pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Definitely should be more "objective" dialogue concerning the shape of the earth.





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LOL we're not being cancelled. She certainly wouldn't cancel her 94 yr old grandma.

Her point was the older generation debating and arguing over future technologies that may benefit her in her golden years will be dead and gone by the time it may become reality. Do you really think Millennials believe they can survive without oil? They know they need oil to manufacture products, and whatever they dream up. My son works for Chevron. He's not going to vote himself out of his job.

As for my DD that said we should lose our right to vote and drive, she was being sarcastic. She doesn't want to move back home to become our chauffeur.


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2112 wrote:

I'll follow up with a discussion I recently had with my 36 year old daughter which somewhat opened my eyes.

Her opinion is us boomers should leave politics relating to the direction of our nations future to the people who will be living in it. We should stop trying to dictate what the world should be after we are all dead. We had our years of control and moments that matter. Technology changes with the seasons and it's not our place to say where it should be applied in regards to their future. We should now enjoy our golden years we planned for all those years and not worry about THEIR future and the world THEY will live in. That's their job now. If they want to go green, let them. It's their mistake to make. Only the future will tell and we won't be alive to see the outcome.

I couldn't argue with her. I realized as long as my DW and I can live out our last 20 years or so in comfort why should we try to define what takes place after that. Just don't burn down the house in the meantime.

A few days after that discussion I talked to my 33 yr old daughter about this. She point blank said we have messed things up enough already. Leave the world to them to clean up. Anyone over 65 should lose their right to drive and vote. We're in their way.

I always admired her sharp directness but I felt I took that one between the eyes.

Maybe we should all just chill out, not be so divided as a nation and let the next generation plan their future.

Now, what you say? Think this post will last an hour?
I have seen some of the ideas “THEY” have had, I’m not impressed.

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nickthehunter wrote:

2112 wrote:

I'll follow up with a discussion I recently had with my 36 year old daughter which somewhat opened my eyes.

Her opinion is us boomers should leave politics relating to the direction of our nations future to the people who will be living in it. We should stop trying to dictate what the world should be after we are all dead. We had our years of control and moments that matter. Technology changes with the seasons and it's not our place to say where it should be applied in regards to their future. We should now enjoy our golden years we planned for all those years and not worry about THEIR future and the world THEY will live in. That's their job now. If they want to go green, let them. It's their mistake to make. Only the future will tell and we won't be alive to see the outcome.

I couldn't argue with her. I realized as long as my DW and I can live out our last 20 years or so in comfort why should we try to define what takes place after that. Just don't burn down the house in the meantime.

A few days after that discussion I talked to my 33 yr old daughter about this. She point blank said we have messed things up enough already. Leave the world to them to clean up. Anyone over 65 should lose their right to drive and vote. We're in their way.

I always admired her sharp directness but I felt I took that one between the eyes.

Maybe we should all just chill out, not be so divided as a nation and let the next generation plan their future.

Now, what you say? Think this post will last an hour?
I have seen some of the ideas “THEY” have had, I’m not impressed.


Agreed, I think of it as ‘generational-acculturation’ - can make it difficult to have a gleeful Thanksgiving Dinner - lol, but gotta Love our kids [emoticon]

Most (but not all) ‘current’ Pedigrees aside (i.e. *critical thinking no longer academically stressed), may skepticism and the *Socratic method gifted by our wise fore-bearers now RIP…

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* This post was edited 12/08/21 08:41pm by 3 tons *

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3 tons,

There are no merits to having global co2 levels this high.


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3 tons wrote:

A cogent construct worthy of serious consideration! (e.g. an anecdote to ‘outcome based’ modeling)…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-nsU_DaIZE

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The problem I see with this is it was made in 2013. Not very current!!!!


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HTElectrical wrote:

3 tons wrote:

A cogent construct worthy of serious consideration! (e.g. an anecdote to ‘outcome based’ modeling)…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-nsU_DaIZE

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The problem I see with this is it was made in 2013. Not very current!!!!


And not very credible.


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3 tons,

There are no merits to having global co2 levels this high.


Interesting…How did you come about this absolute certainty??…I only ask this so as to learn how not to be wrong [emoticon]

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Trees and plants LOVE CO2 !!!! More CO2 means more green plants. The world is greener than ever.

If you want to know for yourself how much we are lied to then you can do an easy experiment yourself right in your kitchen.
Take a bowl and put a big chunk of ice in it. Maybe freeze a paper cup of water and use that as the chunk. put the ice in the bowl of water and mark precisely where the water level is. Let the ice melt. Now mark where the ice level is. You will realize how big the lie is.

Hint, the water level does not change when the ice melts.

One pound of ice is one pound of water.

One pound of ice displaces the EXACT, precisely the EXACT, same amount of water as one pound of water.

Sea ice, which by definition is ice on the ocean, when melted, will not increase ocean levels one bit, zero, nada, ziltch. This is the big lie people fall for over and over and over. It is such simple science, but so many people fall for the simplest of lies.

If all the sea ice on earth melted NOTHING would happen to the ocean levels. They would remain the exact same as they are now. Your vacation house built 3 feet above sea level would still be 3 feet above sea level if all the ice melted.

There is not enough fresh snow/ice on land to do much of anything to sea levels either. Almost all the ice is floating on the ocean.

The Arctic Sea ice is increasing in size currently. Sea levels are not lowering.

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