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Cummins12V98 wrote:

I am reserving comment on being built correctly as the OP has not said if he talked to B&W yet about this.


Seriously doubt B&W builds one hitch at a time, so highly unlikely a build flaw. It may be a damage issue, but if OP takes the initiative to call, they will offer help/solution/replacement.

Jerry


Quite possible its damage ,but its the width measurement that's off , not front to back , which I would think would be the culprit . Maybe a sudden stop or whatever ,but not something sideways , but who knows . That measurement has to be 29" , that's what all bed rails ,and these adapters have .

On the other hand ,when they built these steel components , They are jigged , and there would have to be a bunch that got fit that way, not just that one . We jigged a lot of steel parts ,and jigs can get off , but if they have the quality control you all claim, then its pretty doubtful it got built wrong, if so it never left the shop . As critical as that measurement is , and as many as they build ,they surely have no go gauges to check before they go anywhere , we sure did . So the more I think about it ,its been damaged .

But as said 1/8" , if it was me ,I do what he has already done ,and opened up the hole , I just hope it was the adapter , not the tab. We may never know ,but he seems to have solved the problem .

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Update:
Well, since I am retired and have lots of time on my hands - I found a coarse round file in my tool box. Used a little (or a lot) of elbow grease and manually reamed slightly. Repeated a few times. I was a little surprised at the ability of the round file, but it worked rather well.
Pins now go in with less hassle. The last one takes a little manipulation for now.
I'd rather have a little tight than a little loose.
As I install and remove the hitch in the future, I may decide to ream a little more.


Curious did you ream the adapter or the tabs, I believe I would ream the adapter , less metal thickness to deal with ,and no compromising those tabs , the adapter frame holes has plenty of steel there that it wouldn't weaken it at all . I know the tabs are pretty thick, but they are also not that wide .

I reamed the the tabs. The steel there is much thicker than the adapter. I felt there was less chance of compromising the steel with the thicker tabs than with the thinner adapter.

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I would call B&W and tell them your story. It sounds like your hitch was manufactured wrong from the outset. They may send you a new base.


100% agree to contact B&W. They will take care of you if there is a defect.

Let us know what they say.


I did talk to B&W during this process. They were helpful answering questions for me. But, did not discuss replacing the base. Likely, because it is already 3.5 years old. I didn't ask about replacement.

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laknox wrote:

Instead of band-aiding this, since you have the pucks, why not sell the current Patriot and replace it with a Patriot OEM? Either used or new. Most B&W hitches in good condition sell for 50%, or more, of MSRP.

Lyle


Not sure if this is the same person but selling the existing and buying the puck slider was mentioned.

B&W's are easy to sell.


I actually tried to sell the Patriot before I was aware of the Reese adapter. I would have sold it in a heartbeat for half the cost of a new hitch. I listed mine locally for $700. Did some research and I could have bought the same hitch in virtually the same condition as mine for around $300. More than one for sale here. Didn't have one contact from a buyer. Resale in the Houston area is not good.

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laknox wrote:

Instead of band-aiding this, since you have the pucks, why not sell the current Patriot and replace it with a Patriot OEM? Either used or new. Most B&W hitches in good condition sell for 50%, or more, of MSRP.

Lyle


Not sure if this is the same person but selling the existing and buying the puck slider was mentioned.

B&W's are easy to sell.


Like a lot of folks ,they don't know they can get the frame adapter ,and stay with their rail mount hitch . I did ,and the only drawback to it ,it's one more thing to deal with if wanting to remove. Mine hasn't been removed in a couple years now , no need . The ideal thing is it can be removed for the ones that want a clean bed .

The OP asked about selling hitch awhile back, and the frame adapter was suggested , it's unfortunate that he has a hitch that was not built correctly.


Appreciate all your help.
If it helps anyone else, I wanted a way to remove and install my hitch easily, so I can have my bed back when not towing. I can't back my truck far enough in to my shop to clear the raised door (in order to use a winch from the ceiling). My shop is a steel frame and I have a steel header on the door. I installed an eye bolt in the header. Bought a Harbor Freight chain fall (around $60).
Now, I back under the chain fall, lift the base and drive out from under it. I have a rolling cabinet that I lower it on to and move it to storage.
I even use the chain fall on the puck adapter the same way, except when I drive out from under it, I lift one side and unhook from the chain fall and lower that edge to the ground. Then I put it on a dolly and move it to storage. Much, much easier handling all this for a 64 year-old desk jockey.

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humblerb wrote:

cummins2014 wrote:

humblerb wrote:

Update:
Well, since I am retired and have lots of time on my hands - I found a coarse round file in my tool box. Used a little (or a lot) of elbow grease and manually reamed slightly. Repeated a few times. I was a little surprised at the ability of the round file, but it worked rather well.
Pins now go in with less hassle. The last one takes a little manipulation for now.
I'd rather have a little tight than a little loose.
As I install and remove the hitch in the future, I may decide to ream a little more.


Curious did you ream the adapter or the tabs, I believe I would ream the adapter , less metal thickness to deal with ,and no compromising those tabs , the adapter frame holes has plenty of steel there that it wouldn't weaken it at all . I know the tabs are pretty thick, but they are also not that wide .

I reamed the the tabs. The steel there is much thicker than the adapter. I felt there was less chance of compromising the steel with the thicker tabs than with the thinner adapter.


Yes, the tabs are much thicker ,but that frame has more mass , and you are going side to side , not up ,and down , you got what three feet of tubing there , there is no compromise if those hole were 1/8" longer . Thats my thinking anyway, and would have been much easier to open up that 1/8" on that thinner tubing . But its done now , sounds like it all worked out .

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humblerb wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

laknox wrote:

Instead of band-aiding this, since you have the pucks, why not sell the current Patriot and replace it with a Patriot OEM? Either used or new. Most B&W hitches in good condition sell for 50%, or more, of MSRP.

Lyle


Not sure if this is the same person but selling the existing and buying the puck slider was mentioned.

B&W's are easy to sell.


I actually tried to sell the Patriot before I was aware of the Reese adapter. I would have sold it in a heartbeat for half the cost of a new hitch. I listed mine locally for $700. Did some research and I could have bought the same hitch in virtually the same condition as mine for around $300. More than one for sale here. Didn't have one contact from a buyer. Resale in the Houston area is not good.


We have a local classifieds here, and anytime you look there are at least 50-60 hitches on there ,about any brand you can think of , including plenty of B&W hitches . When I bought my Andersen , I listed that Reese Signature 18K slider, same head as the Elite , I was practically giving it away ,and I don't remember getting one call on it . Still sitting in my garage .

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humblerb wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Durb wrote:

I would call B&W and tell them your story. It sounds like your hitch was manufactured wrong from the outset. They may send you a new base.


100% agree to contact B&W. They will take care of you if there is a defect.

Let us know what they say.


I did talk to B&W during this process. They were helpful answering questions for me. But, did not discuss replacing the base. Likely, because it is already 3.5 years old. I didn't ask about replacement.


Age has nothing to do with it. They have a lifetime warranty. If it was manufactured wrong they would replace it no questions asked. If it somehow has been bent then that's another story.


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I think it also depends on what time of year something is advertised. Like I said I sold my 18k B&W Companion first call for my asking price. That was in the Spring.

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